Thaivisa Owner To Appear in Hua Hin Court

[Orange]

According to a report by British journalist Andrew Drummond, the owner of Thai Visa, the most popular forum for foreign residents and tourists in Thailand, has been charged with fraud in connection with Thai Visa Property Company.

Hua Hin resident George Anderssen, CEO and owner, recently added Property as part of an offshoot in partnership with another Hua Hin resident Grahame Beecham.

Though Beecham and Anderssen are known as formerly good friends, Beecham was the one to level criminal fraud charges. The charges were accepted by a Hua Hin Court, and Anderssen will be required to pay bail on June 22nd, the day of the trial.

Thai Visa has enjoyed some notoriety over the past few years, particularly in regards to accepting advertising from dubious businesses, as well as becoming a space for foreigners to learn about, but much of the time complain about Thailand in general.

[JamesWest]

WAY more here. YIKES!

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Stickman ... i-Visa.htm

[dtaai-maai]

^^What a fascinating read. That "YIKES" may be the most insightful comment you've made on the forum so far, JW!

[Name Taken]

WAY more here. YIKES!

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Stickman ... i-Visa.htm

It just goes to show how corrupt and what a circus this country really is.
A reclusive hermit/bum that was blacklisted for visa fraud is still running the most popular and profitable expat forum in all of Asia.

[hhfarang]

I always said that (with a few exceptions; you know who you are ) most of the expats I met in my tenure there were either running from something, hiding out, taking advantage of the lawlessness of the place, sexual deviants, or at the very least social misfits who could not fit in back in normal western society. Look around you the next time you're in a bar and tell me that the people not on that list are greater in number than the ones who are...

[bapak]

It is not clear what "he" is charged with. Can someone elaborate?
Elaborate but without putting yourself in danger of Thailand draconian libel laws.

[dtaai-maai]

I always said that (with a few exceptions; you know who you are ) most of the expats I met in my tenure there were either running from something, hiding out, taking advantage of the lawlessness of the place, sexual deviants, or at the very least social misfits who could not fit in back in normal western society.

Most? Seriously? Only a few exceptions?

[Name Taken]

I think it's extremely ironic that this website can't be mentioned on the Thaivisa forum, and the owner of that website lives in Hua Hin.

[JamesWest]

I always said that (with a few exceptions; you know who you are ) most of the expats I met in my tenure there were either running from something, hiding out, taking advantage of the lawlessness of the place, sexual deviants, or at the very least social misfits who could not fit in back in normal western society. Look around you the next time you're in a bar and tell me that the people not on that list are greater in number than the ones who are...

is sleeping with two girls at the same time "deviant" or just efficient cost savings?

you are right to a point, but go to a dive bar in N.C. in the middle of the day and what do you see? drunk trash. just like in Thailand. It is just more in your face here.

you forgot to list American Libertarians who like living in a very free place compared to the now ruined USA. And Anarchists who also like the Mad Max world of Thailand.

not to mention ultra cheap hospitals, say like 90% cheaper than Los Angeles with no waiting time in ER. Being able to live at the beach for one quarter the cost of a horrible apartment in Los Angeles. Ultra cheap work force so you can have a maid, driver, laundry and just about everything else for peanuts. overall a 66% drop in my living expenses. Being treated like a VIP at the banks and many other places because you are perceived as a HISO big money man because you have 800,000 baht (peanuts) in a Thai bank, have air con and spend 300 baht on dinner.

Good luck in N.C. I am sure it is nice for you, but I would shoot myself in the head after about a week.

yes there is a reason why you don't see many Americans in Thailand. For 99% it is a huge step down.

it is not for Americans who can't think outside the box.

my friends back in the states want to know how far i live from the slave camps. i told them they are across the street from me.

and yes, in one year i have met someone wanted for murder, one of my friends was murdered my her husband, another beaten, met a whole list of pathological liars, scores of depressed mentally ill people, con artists, and of course many SAS, MI6 and CIA agents.

anyway back to the topic. something about some guy going to court. anybody know the date he has to appear?

[cookmanchef]

There is a news report posted on ThaiVisa this morning about a British girl being raped in Kanchanaburi, take a look at the comments on that thread and then judge the standard of so many of the expats in Thailand, and in particular the TV frequenters!

[Spitfire]

What......Thai Visa owner has skeletons in the closet?

Imagine that! Probably a scumbag trying to live a low proflile despite his douchbagness.

Nothing new here...move along. Runners and perps try to hang in SEA because they are on or in 'last chance saloon'.......par for the course, all routine in a country that doesn't enforce the law. Especially since Spain now sends perps back to face the music.....lol, about time.

[Big A]

I think I met George in person over 10 year's ago; he approached me online using an alias. We agreed to meet up, talked a business proposition; it was one he had for me. The deal was internet related as I was in a position then to potentially supply cheap labor disguised as something else, something that I had connections with. It was a situation where those folks I brought in, well, he would be insulated from them.

He was definitely a bright, but a strange guy. Now that I read up on the background of the breaking story I am pretty sure it was him who I that day met in person in Hua Hin. As it turns out we have connections in other channels, and the relationship is positive.

[Takiap]

I always said that (with a few exceptions; you know who you are ) most of the expats I met in my tenure there were either running from something, hiding out, taking advantage of the lawlessness of the place, sexual deviants, or at the very least social misfits who could not fit in back in normal western society.

Most? Seriously? Only a few exceptions?

The very first thought that came to me as well DM.


Judging an entire expat community based on what you see in a handful of bars is somewhat extreme if you ask me. Also, I cannot be sure because I never venture into the bar areas anymore, but I would imagine that 99% of the Farangs you see in Bintabaht are tourists rather than expats.

I even go one further by saying that each and every expat I know here in Hua Hin is a million miles away from being "trash" or a "shady" character on the run. Virtually all of them are just regular family guys living a relatively quiet lives.

Of course there will be exceptions, but you'll find the same thing everywhere. As for "trash" hanging around in the bars all day, just take a stroll around Aberdeen any day of the week, and I'm sure every city has a similar crowd of people as well.

Okay,

In the article I read, the author has CLEARLY stated that back in the day, there were "RUMORS" that old "George" had been blacklisted and deported. He also states that none of the rumors have ever been verified, so for all we know, he might never have been deported in the first place.

Let's not forget that back then there were many "visa agencies" doing the same as his agency was. Yes it was actually illegal, and yes his agency might even have been raided, but all things considered, he would almost certainly have been able to offer a cash reward in exchange for forgiveness.

Perhaps we should wait until we have more facts, and wait to see what the outcome is when he goes to court. Once again, business disputes happen all over the world, sometimes due to rotten players, and sometimes simply due to disagreements.

What I'm saying is, let's delay his execution date until after the court case.

[brianks]

I am very surprised it has taken so long for this story to appear on this forum. Thought it was banned from this site by its absence.
It broke weeks ago by the Stickman and was followed up by Andrew Durmmond. June 22 is the court date and if you want to read more go to a VPN or proxy server and search for Andrew-Drummond.com and read his more detailed article on the charges that appeared on his site weeks ago. You might find it interesting reading giving a bit more information on the subject.

[Orange]

More From Andrew Drummond (for those unable to access it)

Well, Grahame Beecham who started Thai Visa Property, a separate entity to ThaiVisa.com, but which promotes property on Thai Visa clearly does think that George (Jorge) Andersson, or Lars Jannson, whatever the Swede calls himself , has more than cut corners but carried out outright fraud.

Beecham put in hundreds of hours and thousands of kilometres going around estate agents in Thailand and business soon picked up. Like the advertisers on ThaiVisa some of the partners were dodgy, [Admin edit: slanderous material.]

Nevertheless Beecham knew little of the shared links including lawyers and a Pacific Place suite in Bangkok with dodgy boiler room related people. He was a property salesman and knew his market.

It’s claimed he never took a penny out of ThaiVisa Property and watched hopelessly as cash was transferred to Hong Kong.

Beecham was actually Managing Director, but he resigned on a point of principal, or as he said to friends, on a point of ‘business ethics’ – which may have been a bad move.

The shares of the company he has with George were meant to be split equally but when he got a lawyer to check he found that he had only 1 per cent. And here there are allegations that his own signature was forged.

He had a choice of losing everything – the 18 months work he had put in getting the business started – or fight - hence now the court case.

Stickman has these descriptions from neighbours in Hua Hin about George:

“One neighbour described "George" as a bit of a character who eschews the ways of his homeland. His appearance is sloppy, he is often unshaven and looks unkempt. The other neighbour reports that "George" has alcoholic tendencies and is quick to anger. That neighbour attributes the police callouts to his house and fights (usually vocal, at least once physical) with his on again / off again wife as most likely due to alcohol. Once the sun is high in the sky, a glass of beer or wine is usually within George's reach.”
Those descriptions are spot on, says another source in Hua Hin.

Will Grahame get satisfaction? The Thai courts are notoriously fickle. If he loses Andersson or Jannsen will no doubt go to appeal. He could of course settle out of court as the court will request.