No passport, no stay in HH?

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It looks like a stab-in-the-dark guess to me and I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't a lot more than a 1000.
Perhaps they just walked around Pattaya counting dodgy East London accents!
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Almost every hotel I've stayed in in mainland Europe has some sort of reporting requirement - some stricter than others. I've always found Italy particularly tedious. I have heard, anecdotally, of the Thai system being used to stop people at Swampy emigration, from trying to leave without settling hotel bills, and as such I find that quite reasonable. Added to the official comments about (in respect of the Tsunami specifically) the requirements of disaster management then I'm relaxed about it.

However, I don't see any reason whatsoever, that this information should be reported back to respective 'Ambassadors' (which I take to mean Embassies) unless there is some cause for concern or criminal investigation. That genuinely would be a Stasi type mentality - and ìs that being undertaken to assure foreign governments that the system was not being abused? Risible! More likely so that checks can be made on the other side of the ledger.

My main question though, would be as regards Thai nationals. If they are not expected to show some form of ID (as appears to be the case stated above), then are 'internal tourists' not counted as tourists. Clearly, they won't have an immigration card - or necessarily a passport - but they do all carry ID. Or are the powers that be simply assuming that there is no such thing as a Thai crook, and that natural disasters either don't overwhelm Thais, or identifying them after the fact simply isn't important?
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It looks like a stab-in-the-dark guess to me and I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't a lot more than a 1000.
Perhaps they just walked around Pattaya counting dodgy East London accents!

So Steve G only the Cockneys are the gansters in Pattaya then Eh!!!!! you obviously walk around Thailand with your Eyes and Ear's closed then.
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I think I should elaborate on my comments about The Stasi element of reporting.

I left the UK 18 years ago. It is a fact of life that I am only entitled to a UK passport. That accident of birth appears to convey some lasting right to the UK to interfere in my life in various ways. It wouldn't be considered reasonable for, say, the German government to be informed of my movements yet I have spent more than half of my adult life in Germany and had ample opportunity to commit crime there too, were I of that mindset. I have also lived for some amount of time in Austria, France, the Netherlands and Singapore - not to mention Thailand. So why is it deemed reasonable that my movements can be passed to the officials of the UK, a country which I left almost 2 decades ago, to which I have no intent to return, and the only connection is the need to have a passport renewed occasionally.

Now should the Thais be able to locate and if necessary remove fugitives and undesirables - yes, of course. But at least be open and honest about the policy and have a care to understand that we all have our reasons to be someplace and the simple fact that it may not be the country of our birth doesn't make us fugitives from that place.
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London Boy wrote:It looks like a stab-in-the-dark guess to me and I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't a lot more than a 1000.
Perhaps they just walked around Pattaya counting dodgy East London accents!

So Steve G only the Cockneys are the gansters in Pattaya then Eh!!!!! you obviously walk around Thailand with your Eyes and Ear's closed then.
It was only a joke to illustrate that the number of 1000 probably wasn't the result of any respected research LB; to be honest I haven't spent any amount of time in Pattaya since the late nineties but at that time there were quite a few of them about.
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London Boy wrote:So Steve G only the Cockneys are the gansters in Pattaya then Eh!!!!! you obviously walk around Thailand with your Eyes and Ear's closed then.
Nah, he's not from London so can't differentiate between East and Saaarf London! :D
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hhfarang wrote: That would be a good thing, if after they located them they extradited them back to the jurisdiction of their crimes. I think the local farang population might drop by a few and Pattaya may see a mass exodus. :twisted:
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caller wrote:
London Boy wrote:So Steve G only the Cockneys are the gansters in Pattaya then Eh!!!!! you obviously walk around Thailand with your Eyes and Ear's closed then.
Nah, he's not from London so can't differentiate between East and Saaarf London! :D
To be honest Caller, nowadays just about everyone South of Northampton and East of Bristol sounds like they're trying to audition for the cast of 'Eastenders' to my ears!
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prcscct wrote: Information about the 1,000 foreign fugitives believed to be living here would also be put into the system. "It should be easier to extort from them," he said.
Corrected the typo for you.
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HT - yet another correction "should be easier to work with them - boom boom".
Further I find it strange that apart from the report back procedure to the Embassy that a Thai licence is not acceptable as it lists the passport no. (if you check) and if the system is as good as it is claimed a simple PC check will confirm the bona fides of the licence holder!
Maybe the poor buggers in the hotel room biz are being e-torted too!
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This article makes some referance to the subject:

Police get tough on Pattaya's criminal migrants
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/20 ... 35207.html
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That's a very good article to keep in mind Steve. If we see it all goes sour for the new gendarme, we'll know the dark force did him in. I have a tingling feeling though that Thailand may be serious this time. :?

What it's worth, I used to be Wolfgang Ulrich's neighbor in the early 90's, in the sense he was two blocks away. We ate at his Bavaria House restaurant often and they even catered a German dinner at my house for a business seminar dinner I had. No idea he was who he was.

He was released from jail in Germany years ago on some technicality about his fraud conviction. He tried to get back into Thailand through Hat Yai to see his wife and baby daughter, but was caught a week or so after arrival and deported and black listed, for the second time.

He's since disappeared from all News. I would think he's here again, but not in Pattaya. He was devoted to his little daughter, and he has deep pockets. If he has overcome his superiority complex and Germania rules thinking, he is definitely here. Pete :cheers:
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They seem to be doing something at least Pete:
http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2B ... 30928.html
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Why not stay in a condo where a passport is not required? It is only the hotels that demand a passport.
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