Yellow Book

Post by **sjpthsuk** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:54 am

Need some advice here from the experts.

I purchased my house back in early 2007, moving in October the same year. Originally, my niece was to hold the land, and i was going to lease the house from her - unfortunately she was not 21 so my sister-in-law holds it at present (this was before i got married).
I went a reputable lawyer in Bkk and upon inspection of the documents i received was advised that because the property developer had not followed the correct steps i could not do a lease agreement, but a Usufruct agreement instead. This was duely processed and all fees/taxes paid to the appropriate parties (Land Office, etc.,). From this i got the Chee-nute and a Brown book - but no Yellow book.

I have noticed on reading some of the articles on the forums that there is a yellow book.
1) What is the yellow book?
2) How do i go about obtaining a yellow book .... and ....
3) How simple is the process, as i am on a multi-entry "O" visa (have not moved forward for a Thai spouse / over 50yr retirement visa yet).

Steve

Post by **loverboy44** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:56 pm

Don't know about your lawyer in Bangkok but there seems to be something wrong or you are confused.
To prove residency for a Thai they get a blue book. For foreigeners you need this blue book and go to the Tessabaan and apply for a yellow book for prove of residency of a foreigner.
Don't know what you need right now to get it because in my case it is quite a while ago. I needed a translation of my passport and had to fill out a funny questionary. That's what i remember.
I never heard about a "brown" book.
The blue book you need to register a leasehold or a usufruct.
In many cases here even Thai's don't get a blue book if the plots in the developments are not officially seperated and registered because it costs the developer a lot of money to do so and many are actually bancrupt or lacking funds to finalize it. So, no blue book, no yellow one.
If you can register a usufruct you actually can register a leasehold too.
In your case, as i don't know the facts, go to your embassy and ask for a lawyer that gives you a clear overview.

Post by **Khao Tao Lions** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:28 pm

I bought my property in 2006 and I got the Chanot and blue book. As I do not reside in Hua Hin permanently I assumed that I had the correct book. Is the yellow book only if you want to stay in Thailand permanently?
I went the company route rather than leasehold when purchasing the house.

Post by **loverboy44** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:16 pm

If you bought threw a Co. Ltd. this company's name will be in the blue book.
You only need the yellow one to prove your residency.
Makes things easier if you want to buy a car or a bike in your name.

Post by **CDNinKS** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:16 am

Is it not possible for a farang to be registered in someone else's blue book the same way Thai's do?

Post by **splitlid** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:42 am

^i have seem it before but i believe it to be an admin error.

blue book-thai
yellow book- foreigner
brown book- possibly for a minor land title? never heard of it, but dosnt sound good.

Post by **CDNinKS** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:13 am

Ok, well my understanding (which quite possibly is wrong) is that if I, as a farang, want a Tambien Baan in my name, then it would be a yellow book.
However, if my GF has the Tambien Baan in her name, she is free to add whoever she wants to it as residents, i.e. her daughter, mother, grandmother etc. So why could she not also add me to it?

I know that when my GF bought some land she was required to show the TB, it was not her TB, but her grandmothers that she was shown as a resident in.

All very confusing

Post by **norm** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:30 am

When we bought our condo we arranged for a blue book, which we got but they do not put your name in it if you are farang.

Recently went into Cha Am Tessabann (sp) and ask how to acquire a yellow book. Told us to have passports, birth certificates, translated,which we have done.

Now we need to take these into the Minister of Foreign Affairs in BKK and have them stamped. Then take that plus our blue book (or the blue book of the person you are living with, and the person) and a copy of our chanote. Give them all that plus photos of both of us 2 or 3 each. Then be patient and in a few weeks we should get our yellow book.

With the yellow book it is easier to buy a car or get a drivers license. We have both so not sure what good it does us, but the wife thinks we should have it in case? Who am I to argue? They never mentioned any payment so that may come as a surprise.

I'll let you allknow when we get it anything else we learn.

Post by **Nereus** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:12 am

A "Tabien Baan" (blue book), is an administrative document that identifies the property, and lays out the address. It is NOT in anybody's name. It is NOT a document of ownership.

Under Thai law, any Thai National that is living at that ADDRESS is required to have their name and ID number listed IN the Taibien Baan that belongs to that address.

For a foreigner (alien!), to be listed in the BLUE book they are required to have Permanent Residency in Thailand. However, there are some pesky "aliens" who have put the good oil in the right place, and have had their names entered in the "blue book", (TR 14)

A "Yellow Book, (TR 13), serves exactly the same purpose, but is intended for "aliens". Again it does not prove ownership of anything, it just serves to prove your address if you have your name entered into it.

How "aliens" get a "yellow book", should be the subject of its own thread.

Post by **CDNinKS** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:02 am

Thanks for the clarification Nereus. Just one more question:

For a foreigner (alien!), to be listed in the BLUE book they are required to have Permanent Residency in Thailand

So a WP would not be enough?

Post by **splitlid** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:14 am

definately not.

wp allows you to work only, not reside in the country permanently.

Post by **CDNinKS** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:20 am

Ok, thanks.....well as another poster said, not sure why I even need to be in a blue book or have a yellow book. I have a car in my name, a drivers licence, a bank account, a credit card, etc, etc....

Oh, one more question.....at what point can you apply for a Tabien Baan? Does there have to actually be a house on the property? Or just a perimeter wall and the approval to build the house?

Post by **splitlid** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:26 am

should have a house on it as it needs to be checked for toilets etc (never really happens)
you may get the blue book on the land only if you present drawings etc.

Post by **CDNinKS** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:29 am

Thanks for the info

Super Joe · Post by **Super Joe** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:35 pm

splitlid wrote:should have a house on it as it needs to be checked for toilets etc (never really happens)
you may get the blue book on the land only if you present drawings etc.

Yeah exactly my experience. Wife takes the land paper for the individual plot, they ask is house finished, she says yes, they issue blue book. Wife does it whenever she feels like it, ie: house maybe 50%, 75% or 99% complete, they never check just issue blue book. When issuing a new blue book they are issue a new house address too, you need this to get permanent water, elec meters etc connected to the house (although I've heard of people 'claiming' to get permanent meters connected without an address???).

As for Yellow Books can't see the advantages of getting one myself. The part where they help you get a car registered in your name is just saving you going to immigration and getting a 'certificate of residence', no big deal. It also enables you to get the utilitites/meters in your own name if this is important to you.

I posted this 'yellow book process' below in an earlier thread, its from a lawyer, others have said they have just turned up at the Tessabahn with wife and paperwork and got one issued easy. This process ties up with Norm's experiences and others I've heard of, would be interested to know for sure whether you can still simply obtain yellow book from Tessabahn these days:

SJ