Wood or aluminium window/door frames?

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Wood or aluminium window/door frames?

Post by Gralee » Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:32 pm

I'm starting a house build shortly and need to decide on using wood frames or aluminium frames for patio doors and windows etc. I prefer the look of wood over aluminium (it would look better with the teak floors and stone facings) but am concerned about the maintenance costs in the longer term, particularly in this climate. Anybody know of a local source of good quality hardwood for doors/window frames? Anyone have any experience in choosing one over the other?
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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by PeteC » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:04 pm

Just a quick reaction reply. I've been in many houses here over the years, some the older style Thai house with hardwood window frames. They all swelled depending upon the season and humidity. It was then a battle to open and close. When buying a house about 8 years ago we went with Windsor PVC and haven't been disappointed. Yes, it's white but you get over that quickly as the windows and frames are high quality, work well, and are easy to maintain. Aluminum I'm not sure. You can get away from the white color but the quality of the metal has to be good as anywhere near the sea over time you'll start to get some pitting and chalking from what I've seen. Pete :cheers:
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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by Dannie Boy » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:30 pm

When I had my house built I considered both wood and aluminium and like you, think that good wooden windows and doors look better than aluminium, but I struggled to find anybody who could supply good quality wooden patio door frames at a reasonable price, so in the end went for aluminium. Am I happy with my choice - not really, and whilst we went for better quality (thicker gauge metal), they are nothing like the quality you would get in the UK. I didn't find PVC at the time, although have since (from Hua Hin Glass) and whilst I'm not over enthusiastic on white frames, I could easily be tempted to replace them if I stumble across the money. As Pete said, they are better quality and the ones I have seen come with good fitting mosquito screens and good locks.

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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by oakdale160 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:58 pm

PVC! Looks better, lasts better, cleans better, insulates better. Ask any Canadian, we switched to PVC 25 years ago, of course we have double or triple glazing too.

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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by dtaai-maai » Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:06 pm

I would love to recommend wood, but I've had 2 rental houses in the past with several wooden windows that were swollen and stuck. We have PVC now in the house we are buying. Of course, it looks like PVC, but at least the windows open.

If I were building my own place, I'd like to think I'd have the courage of my convictions and have at least a few wooden windows, but I'm not, so who knows...

I've just seen the previous post - I can't agree PVC looks better.
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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by PeteC » Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:18 pm

oakdale160 wrote:PVC! Looks better, lasts better, cleans better, insulates better. Ask any Canadian, we switched to PVC 25 years ago, of course we have double or triple glazing too.
On the downstairs kitchen/lobby doors we have with no other security devices present, there is what I guess you would call double glazing. It's the thickness of 2 car windshields sandwiched together. Someone would have to whack it many times to get through....then find that the lock is key type on both inside and outside. :laugh: Foiled again! :D

I am a huge fan of physical and visual deterrents over electronic alarms. With electronic, something always gets broken before the thief realizes the house is protected. With physical/visual he just sees it and goes somewhere else for easier pickings. Really up to personal preference though. Pete :cheers:
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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by brianks » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:26 pm

Have just built a house in Khanom which is on the mainland directly below Koh Samui. Of our two houses in Hua Hin, one had wood windows and doors and the other aluminum. We initially thought the wood looked great but the problems with swelling and maintaining turned us off of wood. Next house had white aluminum windows and doors. They always worked and loved them though I did not like the white color. PVC is suppose to be better and would have same qualities but more costly than aluminum.

For our new house we chose a thick profile aluminum that was brown anodized. The brown anodized aluminum doors and windows look like they are wood from a distance and much more colorful than the white aluminum which is too often used. Have them made from the thickest profile (wall thickness) you can get and they will be much stronger. Our local mfg. here told us that the Thai's always select the thinnest profile because it is cheaper.

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Post by STEVE G » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:41 pm

I went for wood purely because I'm a bit of a traditionalist, I like it and will put up with any maintenance issues that arise in the future. The house is only a couple of years old but so far they've been no problem at all. I've now had an outdoor entertainment area built that has twelve of those wooden concertina doors which I really like the look of.
I used to have a Victorian house in England and once someone came around trying to sell me aluminium double glazing. He said that his windows were guaranteed for fifteen years to which I pointed out that my wooden ones were 125 years old and there was nothing much wrong with them!

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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by PeteC » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:45 pm

When's the party? :D
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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by hhfarang » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:52 pm

There is a very heavy duty aluminum available for doors and windows that comes in a wood grain that without very close examination looks like wood... very high quality, but expensive and last time I checked it had to be made in Bangkok. I will try to find time to upload photos tomorrow, but as I'm not used to gimp yet I have to figure out how to resize them (I have a photo of the finish as well as a cross section of a window showing how strong and thick they are). They are very nice and heavy duty and you cannot tell them from wood but they slide easily (instead of opening out) making it easy for sliding screens and they fit tight. If I build again that's what I will use.
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Post by Big Boy » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:04 pm

hhfarang wrote:I'm not used to gimp yet I have to figure out how to resize them
Image/Scale Image/Enter New Size/Scale - simples.
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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by malcolminthemiddle » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:56 pm

For aluminium windows and doors the best quality I have come across in Thailand are Schueo by ARC (Pattaya) and Sunflex available through the Hafele shop on Petchkasem.

Another supplier I noticed advertising in the local mags is Fletcher Aluminium from Australia but have not seen their product.

Any one have experience of these products?

For bi-folding doors got to be aluminium.

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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by Gralee » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:23 am

@prcscct:
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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by STEVE G » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:49 am

prcscct wrote:When's the party? :D
If you're over this way Pete, we'll have a party!

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Re: Wood or aluminium?

Post by hhfarang » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:48 am

Big Boy wrote:
hhfarang wrote:I'm not used to gimp yet I have to figure out how to resize them
Image/Scale Image/Enter New Size/Scale - simples.
Thanks Big Boy, it is simple once you know how to do it. Never used Gimp before... always used photoshop under windows.

Anyway here are images of the finish and a cutaway showing the quality and sturdiness of the aluminum windows I saw being used on a build here a couple of years ago. He said they came from Bangkok.
AluminumWindowSmall.JPG
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