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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by Jimbob » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:02 pm

Happygolfer:
Your explanation of Isaan spelling is detailed and answers my oft thought question. However is your information source Wiki something?
I have just finished reading 'Monsoon country' by Pira Sudham who uses the Esarn form of spelling.
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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by Vital Spark » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:27 pm

nanyang wrote:
The a in can't is a short vowel sound.

The difference in a short vowel and a long vowel sound:-

can cane
Sorry Nanyang, I'll have to disagree with you there, because I'm a Brit. We pronounce 'can't' with a long vowel sound - Americans, however, pronounce it with a short vowel sound. A difference in accents...

As far as 'cane' is concerned: I think that it's a dipthong in both languages (eI in the dipthong chart). Neither long nor short, a combination of 'a' and 'y', and difficult for Thai students to grasp.

I think that the pronounciation of Isaan/Issan/Esaan depends on which area of Thailand you come from (if you're a native Thai). My students, who generally come from the Central area, pronounce it with a long 'e' sound (as in feet), followed by a long 'a' sound (as in car).

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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by BaaBaa. » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:38 am

Vital Spark wrote:followed by a long 'a' sound (as in car).

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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by caller » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:54 am

Jimbob wrote:I have just finished reading 'Monsoon country' by Pira Sudham who uses the Esarn form of spelling.
I love his work, he writes so well. :thumb:
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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by caller » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:01 am

Its a similar issue with Korat, which many pronouce as ko-rat, when it should be ko-raaarrrt! :)

Spitty - any comment on this?
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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by Bamboo Grove » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:26 am

Korat, which many pronouce as ko-rat, when it should be ko-raaarrrt!
The latter is correct, it's a long "a" (phonetic a) again. Not "rat" pronounced as the big mouse.
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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by crazy88 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:46 pm

My Neighbours are fro Korat and pronounce it short and sharp. There again I have heard Hua Hin Thais pronounce Hor Hin, Hwar Hin and Hwor Hin at various paces. Guess it is a Somerset Vs Zummerzeeeeeet scenario.

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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by STEVE G » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:16 pm

In my partners village, which is less than a hundred kilometres from the city, they pronounce it Kho-lat. Mind you, they speak Souei there so what would they know!

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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by PeteC » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:21 pm

I think there's an issue as well with girls named Rattana. They use the short name English spelling 'Lat' for obvious reasons. :D Pete :cheers:
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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by Bamboo Grove » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:52 pm

short name English spelling 'Lat' for obvious reasons.
"lat" pronounced the way you do in English is dangerously close to the Thai word for "rhino." So you'll have to be careful there, too. Another case of long and short vowel. :D
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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by PeteC » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:19 pm

Bamboo Grove wrote:
short name English spelling 'Lat' for obvious reasons.
"lat" pronounced the way you do in English is dangerously close to the Thai word for "rhino." So you'll have to be careful there, too. Another case of long and short vowel. :D
Me....I would pronounce it as Laht, not lat or lot. Good tip though and very useful when the wife starts to gain weight again. :idea: :thumb: Pete :cheers:
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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by Jimbob » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:08 am

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Me....I would pronounce it as Laht, not lat or lot. Good tip though and very useful when the wife starts to gain weight again. :idea: :thumb: Pete :cheers:
Ah, Years ago I popped into a bar in BKK and on asking the attractive door girl her name, I was told it's 'Ratty'. Lucky I did not repeat her name back since I'd definitely mispronounce it. :D I love picking up this stuff.

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Re: Isan, Issan or Isaan?

Post by GOBBY » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:45 pm

I think it's purely depend on the accent the Thai person have. They all say it a bit deferently IMO

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