Farang Bar Owner breaks a guys arm

[hhfarang]

It could be that some innocent guy who now owns that bar is being blacklisted unfairly

That's what I was afraid of. I haven't been in there in a couple of months so the owners may have changed. I've been in the house sick for nearly two weeks now so unable to verify what I was told. As soon as I get out I want to go to the alleged victim's bar and find out the full story.

[Nereus]

It could be that some innocent guy who now owns that bar is being blacklisted unfairly

That's what I was afraid of. I haven't been in there in a couple of months so the owners may have changed. I've been in the house sick for nearly two weeks now so unable to verify what I was told. As soon as I get out I want to go to the alleged victim's bar and find out the full story.

Yes, I would have thought that is the obvious and sensible thing to try and do. I do not know either place, but others obviously do, and the truth would be good.

[Super Joe]

That's what I was afraid of. I haven't been in there in a couple of months so the owners may have changed. I've been in the house sick for nearly two weeks now so unable to verify what I was told. As soon as I get out I want to go to the alleged victim's bar and find out the full story.

The last 2 times I popped in there for a greasy sandwich I did wonder if it had changed hands, as both times there was a smart'ish Thai guy (obv. not a contractor etc) sitting at the bar, sort of directing staff and couple of times walked behind the counter to do something, without anyone batting an eyelid. But I don't know any of the staff to chat to, so didn't ask or owt.

Also, live quite near the Railway Tavern (where it happened), and don't know anything of the incident except reading off internet, but can confirm 1000% that owner Karl and his Thai wife are a couple of the nicest people you'd wish to meet, a Karl is a very quiet bloke, of slight build and never seen him (or her) raise his voice once, despite a couple of rowdy drunks in there one time about a year back.

It's a very small bar and it struck me that he wasn't doing anything about them, or didn't really know how to, despite clearly uncomfortable about them causing a nuisance. So I asked me Mum and Dad to get off home for him... nah, only kidding

Go past the bar a lot, and did see arm in a sling, Bryan Robson-stylee, then read about incident on net.


SJ

[PET]

I thought this hole incident was well reported in AWOL ( front page) 2/3 weeks ago ?

[matthewnoel]

i just knew it would be him!ive seen him bully older guys many times,yes,he is a prick!

[Super Joe]

I thought this hole incident was well reported in AWOL ( front page) 2/3 weeks ago ?

Nooo, that's being discussed here mate...
http://www.huahinafterdark.com/forum/vi ... 30#p203679

SJ

[petercr]

Now that the admin of this forum " Lev" has given authority for users to name and shame the dangerous people in our midst. I assume that it is o k for the bad property developers and con men etc. to be named and shamed also..
Quote, "The public does have the right to know".

If you can backup your claim with substantiated evidence and wish to post using your real name and not a pseudonym then yes, we don't see why not - they will sue you instead of us.

My question is this, in what form do you require substantiated evidence before any member can name and shame a developer on HHAD. And yes, I am prepared to use my own name against any post on this subject

I have copies of correspondence, photographs, e-mails, completed and ongoing litigation details etc regarding one developer and would welcome the opportunity to name and shame that individual and his associates

Why should we be intimidated by these individuals, they bring nothing to the table except chaos heartache for the people who have placed trust and hard earned cash in their hands

[kendo]

Peter start a new thread and as long as people use there real names to be accountable, and can back accounts up with evidence and agree that there is no recorse to this forum.

Kendo.

[H2ODunc]

Doesn't sound like a nice story but if there will be naming and shaming i hope it will be based on facts and not only rumours. As i understand the person in question owns a business so this could really hurt him.

[petercr]

Doesn't sound like a nice story but if there will be naming and shaming i hope it will be based on facts and not only rumours. As i understand the person in question owns a business so this could really hurt him.

Rest assured I would not make public anything other than hard facts which can be substantiated. Quite apart from my own standards of conduct I have no wish to expose myself to potential litigation by indulging in rumour and innuendo

[Lev]

My question is this, in what form do you require substantiated evidence before any member can name and shame a developer on HHAD. And yes, I am prepared to use my own name against any post on this subject

I have copies of correspondence, photographs, e-mails, completed and ongoing litigation details etc regarding one developer and would welcome the opportunity to name and shame that individual and his associates

Why should we be intimidated by these individuals, they bring nothing to the table except chaos heartache for the people who have placed trust and hard earned cash in their hands

Verification of identity, police and lawyers reports should suffice.

We totally agree with your last sentence however we do not wish to be sued ourselves by these individuals over an incident or dispute that does not involve us so need to take the necessary precautions.

[dozer]

Although I agree it is a good thing to name and shame, I think it may be too late, as HH’s reputation for having more than its fair share of dishonest realtors and developers will stick with it for a very long time.
The one thing that does annoy me is during the peak of the scandals I could not convince any of my local friends that this was a major problem for HH’s reputation, they just see it as a farang against farang, so it’s a victimless crime.

[Jack the lad]

It seems that "admin"agrees that con men ( women), crooks etc can be named on this forum subject to the person posting any accusations uses their real name. So come on let a thread be started naming the bad guys in town. People should be warned who not do business with.

" Petercr". could start the thread as he appears willing to do so.

My question is this, in what form do you require substantiated evidence before any member can name and shame a developer on HHAD. And yes, I am prepared to use my own name against any post on this subject

I have copies of correspondence, photographs, e-mails, completed and ongoing litigation details etc regarding one developer and would welcome the opportunity to name and shame that individual and his associates

Why should we be intimidated by these individuals, they bring nothing to the table except chaos heartache for the people who have placed trust and hard earned cash in their hands

Verification of identity, police and lawyers reports should suffice.

We totally agree with your last sentence however we do not wish to be sued ourselves by these individuals over an incident or dispute that does not involve us so need to take the necessary precautions.

[richard]

Post at your peril

Watch your back mate

[petercr]

My question is this, in what form do you require substantiated evidence before any member can name and shame a developer on HHAD. And yes, I am prepared to use my own name against any post on this subject

I have copies of correspondence, photographs, e-mails, completed and ongoing litigation details etc regarding one developer and would welcome the opportunity to name and shame that individual and his associates

Why should we be intimidated by these individuals, they bring nothing to the table except chaos heartache for the people who have placed trust and hard earned cash in their hands

Verification of identity, police and lawyers reports should suffice.

We totally agree with your last sentence however we do not wish to be sued ourselves by these individuals over an incident or dispute that does not involve us so need to take the necessary precautions.

While it was not my intention to highjack this thread, for the sake of continuity I would prefer to use this opportunity to comment on the Moderator response. Obviously the practicality of securing police and lawyer reports effectively halts any meaningful criticism of developers, even were these reports available, could they be published on this forum??? I doubt it

Forum Rules as shown below are quite clear:

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There appear to be no other examples of specific groups of traders/business people singled out within forum rules......??

In this particular thread a specific bar business is named, in other threads there is damaging comment on specific restaurants with reference to food poisoning ...........and so on, this without the thread being locked or evidence of any serious Moderator intervention

Perhaps the Moderators will excuse my observation that there appears to be a double standard here

The forum 'Disclaimer & Limitation of Liability' seems to protect the forum/moderators interests in terms of content, so if an individual is prepared to post under their real name why is it necessary to effectively smother that content?? I also observe that none of the Moderators' use their full and real names

Moderators state in many posts that if real names are used.............You can post and 'they can sue you not us' ........That statement in itself is a form of intimidation

The much vaunted forum specific to property agents/developers that was to be introduced a couple of years ago disappeared off the horizon or was restricted to a point where its effectiveness in warning other members of dodgy practices/developers had been removed

While I would prefer to use my time generating a useful and accurate report on the activities of a corrupt developer, I am instead criticising forum policy ..........In every practical sense all negative property discussion is discouraged/banned by this forum