Information on V Bar (was up2u bar)

[uncle tom]

Agree about the importance of decent girls.

Although young girls are a good magnet, they tend to be fussy and difficult, both for the punters and the bar owners.

Older girls will get the customers in if they keep themselves in trim, dress well and behave themselves; but bars that allow pushy fat slobs on the premises lose a lot of trade as a result..

[richard]

Agree about the importance of decent girls.


bars that allow pushy fat slobs on the premises lose a lot of trade as a result..

Same goes for Katoeys

[Korkenzieher]

Mat, one of the new owners, previously built, owned and ran (before selling) TNT bar which always seemed to be one of the more successful joints on that part of the strip. A lot of the 'floating' Dutch drinkers will end up there, if they haven't already, so I expect it to be comparatively successful.

[johnnyk]

That side of the nightlife quadrangle always seems to have high bar turnover. Is it because it's a little out of the way for the tourists who throng Binthabaht? Do they perceive it as the "dark side" with all sorts of dangers lurking?
The Binty bars have some expat clients but make a lot of business from 1 and 2-week visitors staying in nearby hotels. Most expats I know don't frequent the area any more, they prefer soi 80 where the beer is cheaper and there is less of a sideshow atmosphere. You know something is amiss when wine bars offering armchairs spring up so visitors can gawk at "real live Thai bargirls" and sway to "Hotel California" just one more time.

[Charliemyson]

No not new owner , was a potential buyer , have a nice idea I use here in Europe works well with multi nationals want to apply it there but location is always important ,my bar here appeals to locals and tourists where I've been 20 years and just love to do it there, but not this one after looking closer into it thanks guys one and all , I hope I can present this to hua hin one day soon

[Takiap]

Agree about the importance of decent girls.

Although young girls are a good magnet, they tend to be fussy and difficult, both for the punters and the bar owners.

Older girls will get the customers in if they keep themselves in trim, dress well and behave themselves; but bars that allow pushy fat slobs on the premises lose a lot of trade as a result..

Yes definitely, but the same also applies to bars that allow their girls to nag customers for a lady drink. If I were ever to own a bar, the girls would be forbidden to ask customers for drinks. 100% of the customers in Binta are "westerners" as such, and in western culture you don't ask, you wait until you're offered. I'm sure some new tourists don't object to being asked, but my guess is they soon get sick of it, especially when a few girls start asking. The same also applies to groups of girls siitting in a group eating........not really a picture of enthusiasm.

Having said all that, it does seem like there are generally more good looking girls in the Binta bars now than there were in the past.

[Takiap]

Lolitas which for a spell was a successful novelty. Most punters then found out the services could be provided elsewhere at a cheaper price

And, for the sake of newcomers of course, where might one find these more economically viable establishments?

[uncle tom]

Lolitas which for a spell was a successful novelty. Most punters then found out the services could be provided elsewhere at a cheaper price

And, for the sake of newcomers of course, where might one find these more economically viable establishments?

Indeed, the loss of Lolita's did make their speciality harder to find, and I think the real reason Lolita's closed was because their 'girls' were very much at the canine end of the spectrum..

Last year there was a very naughty and quite pretty 'massage' girl further up the soi towards Jings, whose massage technique involved her throat as much as her hands; but she was not around earlier this year.

If you go to the end of Selakam and turn right into Poonsuk, there's a massage place just past the art shop where the girls are usually game for exotic extras..

[johnnyk]

Falang owners may have difficulty getting attractive hostesses if they are not connected to upcountry talent scouts. As for girls cadging drinks, that is10-1 the bar's policy. The bars make money on drinks not from barfines (except soi 6 ST joints). If a bar has 5 girls and they are all taken out by 9pm the owner has 1500 baht, lovely, but now no girls to attract customers and sell drinks. Not really the way to survive in the bar biz.

[Pagey]

Slight amendment Johnny,

5 girls the bar gets 1,000, 100 goes to the girl, 200 to the bar in most cases for the reasons you stated.

[Takiap]

Fair comment, but if a bar has 5 HOT girls, they will attract customers, and if they play their cards right, those customers will buy the girls drinks anyway. Of course you might get some tight ass customers who won't, but I think most guys will gladly buy drinks for a girl who is both attractive and pleasant.

When a beached aging what drops herself in the seat next to you and immediately asks for a drink, it's a sure way of getting that customer to leave. I also think a bar can attract customers even if all the girls have already been taken. Not everyone visiting Binta is there to pick up a girl. In fact an empty bar with 5 girls sitting around is often a bar best avoided because you know you're not going to get any peace....

[johnnyk]

Slight amendment Johnny,

5 girls the bar gets 1,000, 100 goes to the girl, 200 to the bar in most cases for the reasons you stated.

I told you math wasn't my strong point!

[Gus]

Selakam does not have great footfall like Bintabaht so it is difficult to attract many customers, even a great bar like Moonlight struggles.
Maybe V bar could go back to it's former guesthouse/bar mode similar to the Jings modus operandi??

I have often thought that Selekam would attract footfall with a 7/11, is there room for a small 7/11 AND bar??

IMHO the only way a bar can be guarnteed to have a chance of suceeding is to have a regular supply of nice looking/smart/clean/honest girls, preferably from Buriram. :-)

[STEVE G]

Yes definitely, but the same also applies to bars that allow their girls to nag customers for a lady drink. If I were ever to own a bar, the girls would be forbidden to ask customers for drinks. 100% of the customers in Binta are "westerners" as such, and in western culture you don't ask, you wait until you're offered. I'm sure some new tourists don't object to being asked, but my guess is they soon get sick of it, especially when a few girls start asking.

That business model exists in Europe too, there are a couple of bars here that employ picturesque and overly friendly girls, normally pneumatic Roumanian blondes, that basically pester you for drinks. They only drink "champagne" and it's 15 euros a glass, apparently!

[Jose]

In my personal opinion the only way a bar in this area makes good money is if the owner is always there talking too and keeping customers happy.

otherwise as soon as the owners back is turned, crappy loud music comes on,
the girls will have their hand in the till so to speak,

Having said all this maybe the up2u bar would have benefited from the previous owner not playing his own music..