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Dog Trainer?

Post by dotx » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:58 pm

Anybody knows of a dog trainer in Hua Hin? Or somewhere nearby? The vet recommended one but I don't like the way he works. The trainer actually takes your dog for two months (and you're not allowed to visit), trains him and then returns him to you.

This is a very stupid idea. First, the only thing the dog will learn is to obey the trainer, not me. Second, I'm pretty sure the training will involve whatever is necessary, even if that means hitting the dog (which I don't agree with). Third, my problem is dog aggression (between my two dogs). Taking the dog away is certainly not going to fix that problem. So... bad idea all around.

I need a NORMAL trainer. Any suggestions? I'm kind of desperate because the aggression is getting to be a very serious problem.

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Post by PeteC » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:16 am

There's been a place up in or near Cha Am mentioned on here run by I think a Scandanavian couple. The primary business is dog boarding/breeding but I think I recall seeing that they train dogs as well. Perhaps this post will jog someone's memory as to their contact details.

It sounds like a struggle for dominance between the two dogs. Have they been together since pups? If they are not already neutered that may go a long way in calming them down. Pete :cheers:
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Post by PeteC » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:26 am

A few searches shows that the place used to be called Kennel Scandanavia, now changed to Europa as of the last posts which were a year ago or so. Don't know if they still do dog training. Pete :cheers:
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Post by PeteC » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:13 am

Eureka!....a web site. :D Pete :cheers:

http://kenneleuropa.com/index.php
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Post by dotx » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:25 am

Unfortunately, they're not offering training at the time. The woman who runs it (it's no longer a couple; they divorced) told me she hasn't done it for a while because her son is not around to help.

The dogs have been together since they were pups and the whole fighting only started a few weeks ago. One of the dogs is 14 months old, so it could be that he's becoming a teenager and trying to take charge of the place. In any case, I need to deal with this. He's a big dog (over 70 lbs.) and if I don't control him, he can cause a lot od damage.

ETA: Big dog was just neutered. The other dog (older but smaller) is not neutered. I never did it before because it didn't seem necessary. I also have a female dog (she's spayed and she's never been in heat around the dogs).
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Post by E-Dork » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:40 am

You could always have a looksee through this...

http://www.dog-obedience-training-review.com/

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Absolutley right! Someone that takes your dog away to be trained doesn't know what he's doing!

I made sure from an early age that my beautiful Dobermans were well trained as, given ill education, can turn to be pretty nasty bitches. Instead they are soft as s$%t and know an awful lot of commands. When Thai's see my girls 'peforming' they are amazed - in England it's called a normal doggie upbringing. Thank you for reminding me about a good thing from England. Having been ranting about England last night getting worked up it's nice to remember how we have dog's as part of the family there - not just a burglar deterrent.
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Post by PeteC » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:40 am

Well, maybe assisted training could help. Ask her if you brought the dog (or both) over to her place to allow her to see how they interact together, she could talk you through the proper steps to take to fix the problem. You would be the trainer, as you need to be anyway, and she would just be the instructor. Whether this particular woman is agreeable or not, that method sounds good to me if you can find anyone with the experience and knowledge. Pete :cheers:
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Post by E-Dork » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:43 am

Well, maybe assisted training could help. Ask her if you brought the dog (or both) over to her place to allow her to see how they interact together, she could talk you through the proper steps to take to fix the problem. You would be the trainer, as you need to be anyway, and she would just be the instructor. Whether this particular woman is agreeable or not, that method sounds good to me if you can find anyone with the experience and knowledge. Pete
Good call Pete. That's how training goes in England. The trainer is teaching the owner the tricks of the trade and taking a back seat while the owner put's it into practice.
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Re: Dog Trainer?

Post by Takiap » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:01 am

E-Dork wrote:my beautiful Dobermans

I take it you live here in LOS? If so, where did you get your Dobermans? In my books, the best breed of dog in the world. Personally, I find them very easy to train, and they learn very quickly. I tried getting one over here but it seemed impossible so I eventually gave up and settle for a Rottweiler. What a lovely dog she is, but not quite as sharp as a Doberman. Ah well, at least she's a great "mini-horse" for the kids, and they seem to think she makes a great pillow to lie on as well...lol. Not even one aggressive bone in her body :thumb:
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Post by PeteC » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:21 am

By the by.....a Rottweiler originally was a mix between an Doberman and a Mastiff? I know, could Google it but may make for interesting discussion how breeds came to be. Pete :cheers:
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Post by E-Dork » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:22 am

Takiap said...
I tried getting one over here but it seemed impossible so I eventually gave up and settle for a Rottweiler.
As did I and could never find one. I love Dobermans, despite their reputation as a fierce and vicious dog (which if not trained properly they can be) they are ,in my eyes, the most beautiful dog there is going and I'm glad you think so too.

I had to have my two endure a plane ride from America. I can't find the number of the place I used at the mo but there are many breeders to choose from if you search the web. It ain't too cheap though of course. If I recall correctly I paid around 80,000+ for each girl to get here - this included buying the dog, flight ticket, injections etc.

Happy to know of other Doberman lovers :cheers:
Not even one aggressive bone in her body
All down to the owners that.... you have obviously brought him/her up well :cheers:
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Post by E-Dork » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:33 am

Not the place that I used but each one is probably similiar really. Here are some Dobermans and the price you expect to pay for them. Don't know how much the travel would be now as it was around 6 years ago that I got my two girls. Well worth the money if you want a loyal, smart, family dog.

http://www.k9pups.com/site/657261/page/282115
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Re: Dog Trainer?

Post by dotx » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:56 am

E-Dork wrote:
Well, maybe assisted training could help. Ask her if you brought the dog (or both) over to her place to allow her to see how they interact together, she could talk you through the proper steps to take to fix the problem. You would be the trainer, as you need to be anyway, and she would just be the instructor. Whether this particular woman is agreeable or not, that method sounds good to me if you can find anyone with the experience and knowledge. Pete
Good call Pete. That's how training goes in England. The trainer is teaching the owner the tricks of the trade and taking a back seat while the owner put's it into practice.
I agree that this is the right way to do it. The vet insisted that giving the dog to the trainer was a smart idea (I actually talked to two vets in Hua Hin and both thought it was normal for somebody to take my dog away for two months). This is obviosuly a Thai/old school thing. I don't know. In any case, stupid stupid idea.

I'll talk to the woman from Europa kennel again and try to arrange something. Even if it's just for one day, it might give me some tools to work on things. If anybody comes up with another name or suggestions, please share. I'm aware that this is something I need to do myself, but I'd feel much better if I had somebody to work with me and the dog, at least at the beginning.

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Post by E-Dork » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:01 am

This is obviosuly a Thai/old school thing.
And more than likely carried out in the same way as they 'train' kids to behave. With a big stick - hence you are not allowed to see their teachings but will end up with a dog that won't dare step foot wrong again for fear of being hit. Friendly it won't be... scared and timid it will.
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Re: Dog Trainer?

Post by dotx » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:00 pm

E-Dork wrote:
This is obviosuly a Thai/old school thing.
And more than likely carried out in the same way as they 'train' kids to behave. With a big stick - hence you are not allowed to see their teachings but will end up with a dog that won't dare step foot wrong again for fear of being hit. Friendly it won't be... scared and timid it will.
Yes, that was my first thought. They're going to hit the dog and they don't want me to see it. That's why I'm not allowed to show up. This also means the goal is not to "train" the dog, but to make it submissive out of fear. These are two very different things.

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