Recognised paedophile bar owner

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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by sallyanne » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:58 pm

I've been told I should not name and shame. Click on the website put in Brentwood January 2010 there's only one paedophile with that spec....

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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by caller » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:18 am

So he was prosecuted in 2010 according to the uncredited report on this unofficial website, which now seems to be targeting the McCanns. According to this unknown source, he was ordered to be listed on the sex offenders register as well as receiving a prevention order, both to last for 5-years. That was 7 years ago. His offence was having indecent images of children on his phone, which must be at the lower end of the scale of seriousness.

Whatever anyone might think, based on the information available on this website, he's free to do what he wants.
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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by theprice01 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:22 am

So he was given a SOPO in 2010 lasting for 5 years....its 2017 now.
I wouldn't exactly invite him round for a dip in my pool but the sentence/punishment has been spent. Unless he ends up working in a Hua-hin school I wouldn't worry so much, there's probably worse sex offenders in TH.
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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by kendo » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:28 am

Five or ten years on the register vile people don't get rehabilitated they just change their MO.
I looked at the link provided and was shocked to find five people in my local area that I know on the register. They never deserve to be off the radar as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by caller » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:12 pm

Kendo, this isn't an official register. It's a privately run website, run by whoever and seemingly based on newspaper reports. I'm not saying it's not providing a service, but it needs to be treated with caution.
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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by sallyanne » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:35 pm

I would never want a paedophile near a child of mine with a spent or unspent conviction. If there was any untruth on the site it would be taken down https://theukdatabase.com//?s=andrew+chester&search=Go I would never protect a paedophile. It is the lowest form of life. If you protect that form of life then I would tar you with the same brush...

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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by caller » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:07 am

sallyanne wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:35 pm
I would never want a paedophile near a child of mine with a spent or unspent conviction. If there was any untruth on the site it would be taken down https://theukdatabase.com//?s=andrew+chester&search=Go I would never protect a paedophile. It is the lowest form of life. If you protect that form of life then I would tar you with the same brush...
You're being a bit hysterical now and nobody is protecting anyone and no-one is saying there are any untruths there. Although the site could do themselves a favour and record the source of their information, as it's pretty unfair on all the others with the same name that live in the area. It seems that this report wasn't posted until 2016 whereas the offence took place in 2010 or earlier.

Think about it rationally, the guy wasn't imprisoned, fined or anything else. Whatever he had on his phone and there is no real definition for indecent images, but there are categories for how serious types of images should be treated. Whatever he had was on the lowest scale and I'm willing to bet that having checked his phone, no stone would have been left unturned regarding the rest of his possessions.

So what you're left with are 26 images on his phone (from the local rag). He's been punished, and is no longer bound by any orders or anything else. Short of publicising it here, which you have succeeded in, there's nothing more to be done.
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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by theprice01 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:57 am

Good point Caller. If I had a spent conviction (whatever the crime) I wouldn't be happy with it still being in the media.
Also the website is full of spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes and missed words.
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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by Homer » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:22 am

sallyanne wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:58 pm
Does anybody have any thoughts on this.
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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by Houdi » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:08 pm

Seems at least two people on this Forum are keen to leap to the defence of a convicted paedophile.

Makes me far more worried about them than sallyanne who was simply trying to draw attention to this guy to those of us who live here and any tourists who use this forum.

Thanks sallyanne for letting us know about this pervert.

No doubt the two guys who are 'defending' him have no doubts in their minds about why a convicted paedophile would leave the UK and turn up in Thailand.

More fool you.

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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by caller » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:22 pm

More fool you actually. Not defending him at all. I got started because a query was raised as to why he was allowed to travel and then learning that the register Sally was referring to isn't anything of the sort. As for the guy being a paedophile, we simply don't know based on the information that is available.
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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by Homer » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:51 am

Houdi wrote:
Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:08 pm
Seems at least two people on this Forum are keen to leap to the defence of a convicted paedophile.
Seems all but 2 posters in this thread either never heard of Chicken Little or don't know unreliable sources when they see them.

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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by oakdale160 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:27 pm

Although, would anybody in any Thai area with high number of ex-pats be surprised to hear that there is a convicted or waned pedophile amongst us?

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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by HarryVardon » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:53 pm

Report him to the Thai police. The death penalty can still be applied in Thailand for this.

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Re: Recognised paedophile bar owner

Post by caller » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:58 pm

oakdale160 wrote:
Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:27 pm
Although, would anybody in any Thai area with high number of ex-pats be surprised to hear that there is a convicted or waned pedophile amongst us?
Nope. And having looked into this case a bit more and it does appear that the images he had were probably of a boy/girl under 13, which is obviously worrying, although still at the lowest level judging by the sentence imposed. That would have been tougher from 2012 when new sentencing guidelines were introduced, but any punishment would still have been minimal.

Being retired and having an interest in criminal law (from the day job), but knowing nothing of this subject - when I was a kid, the word paedophile didn't exist, they were just dirty old men your parents warned you about - I looked into it more and there are some strange anomalies, because a child is classed as a person under 18, whereas the legal age of consent in the UK is 16. All sorts of issues arise with early marriages and photo's that might be taken with or without consent. Also that a person over the legal age of criminal responsibility, which is 10 could be classed as a paedophile, but generally you have to be older than the age of 16 and 5-yers older than the victim.

I found this example from the code for crown prosecutors (UK), which is interesting. The male's age isn't disclosed, but it's probably irrelevant. Would you class this guy as a paedophile?

In R v M [2011] EWCA Crim 2752 the defendant had a "one-night stand" with a 17 year old. They engaged in consensual sexual activity after which he took photographs of her naked, resulting in two charges of making an indecent photograph of a child. His defence was that he reasonably believed she was over 18 and had consented to the photographs. It was argued that it was irrational that a girl aged 17 years should be capable of consenting to sexual relations but incompetent to consenting to such acts being photographed unless in a marriage, civil partnership or enduring family relationship. This amounted to a breach of Articles 8(2) and 10(2) of the ECHR and the statutory defence should be read to include "one night stands". These arguments were rejected. The Court held that the need to protect children from sexual exploitation was a "pressing social need". Whilst the defendant could engage in sexual activity with a 17 year old girl, he had no right to make her the subject of "pornography" [as the Court stated]. The United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child and the EU Framework Decision 2004/68/JHA prescribed fundamental rights for children and the provisions of the PCA 1978 were no more than necessary to accomplish the objectives of these international obligations.
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