I think we're getting crossed wires here, the thread on carrying ID and 24hr reporting is here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27660
This one is about the banning of visa runs.
Visa runs banned after Aug 12
Re: Visa runs banned after Aug 12
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
Heavy new penalties for overstays on the way
This is worth a read.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 39870.html
Looks like last year there were a whopping 70k+ foreigners who overstayed. It also looks like the 20k baht max fine will change to expulsion and a ban on re-entry from one year to maybe a whole decade depending on the seriousness of the infringment of the overstay.
Maybe there will still be a fine, but it looks like a clamp-down is on the way in this area too due to the piss being taken......as usual.
Plus, notice the bit about foreigners who fail to produce passports could face two year in prison plus be fined starting from August 29th.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 39870.html
Looks like last year there were a whopping 70k+ foreigners who overstayed. It also looks like the 20k baht max fine will change to expulsion and a ban on re-entry from one year to maybe a whole decade depending on the seriousness of the infringment of the overstay.
Maybe there will still be a fine, but it looks like a clamp-down is on the way in this area too due to the piss being taken......as usual.
Plus, notice the bit about foreigners who fail to produce passports could face two year in prison plus be fined starting from August 29th.
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Re: Heavy new penalties for overstays on the way
I'm not sure why this is breaking news in the Nation, as it's been discussed on here for over a week already.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27514&start=60
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27514&start=60
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Re: Heavy new penalties for overstays on the way
Maybe just the Nation being slow and trying to make something of it. Feel free to close the thread moderators if it has already been discussed....no dramas.
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Re: Visa runs banned after Aug 12
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Re: Visa runs banned after Aug 12
I know it's not your headline HHFR, but it is deliberately misleading when the article is all about the clampdown on workers abusing the tourist visa route.hhfarang wrote:"Holiday in Thailand could end for expats"
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 20783.html
Re: Visa runs banned after Aug 12
Article copied from ThaiVisa:
"Coming to the end of the visa run -
local language schools may suffer most
BANGKOK: -- As thousands of long-term expats fear for the future amid a crackdown on the improper use of visas and exemptions, it could be local language schools that end up suffering most
In the past five years, Jon has travelled in and out of Thailand more than 60 times, using up four passports in the process. His travels have included short trips to neighbouring countries, including Singapore and Cambodia, and some summer breaks at home in the United Kingdom. Most of his trips were merely a walk out and walk in at the border, commonly known as a visa run among the thousands of expats living in Thailand without proper work or residency permits.
The school that hired Jon to teach English does not provide him with a work permit, meaning he must rely on monthly visa runs to continue his stay in the country he now considers home.
“I have been employed full-time by a private language school, but I have never obtained a work permit,” he said. “The school says the cost [of obtaining a permit] is high and it will be an investment risk on their part to provide paperwork for us when there is such a high turnover of English-language teachers in Thailand.”
Until recently, Jon had no problems making repeated visa runs. With as little as 3,000 baht in his pocket, he could take a van from the On Nut area to the border province of Sa Kaeo. From there, he could cross into Cambodia’s Poi Pet province, spend some time scouring the veritable sea of second-hand goods at Rong Kluea market, before walking back to Thailand and getting an extension of his tourist visa for another 30 days.
But last week, after a two-week stay in Singapore, Jon’s passport came under close scrutiny. After landing at Don Mueang airport, he, along with 12 other people, were taken aside by immigration officers who were concerned by the number of entry stamps inside their passports.
In the end, Jon was allowed to enter. But in the future, he is unlikely to be so lucky.
The Immigration Bureau has been tightening its enforcement of visa rules. Announced in May, the crackdown has already been enforced at some border crossings to prevent in-out visa runs, but will also extend to consulates and embassies issuing multiple back-to-back tourist visas. Tough new penalties will also be introduced for visa overstays, particularly those caught by authorities.
Pol Col Voravat Amornvivat, deputy commander of the bureau’s Investigation Division, said the crackdown is about ensuring foreign residents in Thailand meet the right level of “quality”.
“We want to make it easy for good people who are willing to follow the law to stay, but we want to make it difficult and impossible for those who abuse the law to remain here illegally,” he said.
PERMISSION TO WORK
Jon is now preparing to return to Singapore again in a couple of weeks; immigration staff stamped him into Thailand for only 30 days.
In the long run, obtaining a work permit would prove far cheaper than making frequent trips out of the country. But the requirements to work here legally are strict, both for individuals and for the employers who must sponsor the application.
In most cases, teachers who work in private or public schools nationwide must hold at least a bachelor’s degree. But the industry is known for its high turnover, and schools are mostly unwilling to lodge the paperwork required to support a work permit application for a teacher who is likely to leave within a year.
Spectrum contacted Jon’s employer, a well-established English-language school with several branches across the country, and was told by the visa section there that paperwork is covered for all teachers.
“When we first hire teachers, they usually have a tourist visa,” the school said. “But after 90 days we will apply for a non-immigrant B visa for them at the Immigration headquarters on Chaeng Watthana Road, and later we will be working towards obtaining a work permit while they might extend their stay by doing a visa run once or twice during that time.”
During his five years working for the institution, however, Jon said he has never even come close to obtaining a work permit, despite being a university graduate and holding a teaching certificate.
Ms Pam runs First Study Service, a recruitment agency which supplies English teachers to public and private schools across the country. She insists the responsibility to secure work permits rests solely on the schools which employ her teachers. “My agency does not cover work permit provisions because it acts mainly as a consultant to schools that wish to hire native English speakers as teachers,” she said. “After our teachers are hired by the schools, they will be responsible for the paperwork.” Ms Pam said one of the biggest barriers for schools sponsoring work permits is that many teachers — particularly those aged under 30 — have no intention of staying in Thailand long-term. She said many only remain in the country for a year before moving on.
Ms Pam said teachers applying for work through her agency will first go through a recruitment centre which will provide them with a teaching certificate. Those who fit the requirements — including holding at least a bachelor’s degree — will then be approached by her agency.
Later, she will offer what she calls a “consultancy service” to schools that wish to employ the teachers.
The school will negotiate a monthly salary directly with the teacher, usually between 35,000 and 45,000 baht, and First Study Service will claim a small service fee. The contract between the teacher and the school is by semester, which Ms Pam said is a reflection of the high turnover rate of teachers. “Most teachers, who are also travellers, do not plan to settle in Thailand.”
SCHOOL’S OUT
Ms Pam said that even though it is still too soon to know the full effects of the visa-run crackdown, she predicts changes will be seen when schools begin recruiting teachers for the second semester in November.
“The schools will have to bear higher costs in recruiting and will be under more pressure to fill vacant jobs for teachers. They might find it more difficult to hire teachers as the number of teachers working inside the country might decline. Moreover, the higher cost of paperwork processing might lead to increased salaries for teachers [to reduce turnover],” she said.
“I think this measure will ultimately affect schools in the longer term.”
Andrew Biggs, the founder of Andrew Biggs Academy which offers English-language courses and consultancy services to schools nationwide, also believes schools will be effected, particularly in terms of education quality.
“There are 40,000 schools nationwide under the supervision of Obec [the Office of the Basic Education Commission] and the English curriculum that they offer must be delivered through native speakers,” he said.
“It is true that some subjects can be handled by people of other nationalities including Filipino, but I fear the departure of native speakers to countries like Japan, Vietnam or South Korea which can pay teachers more.
“The loss will be on Thai education.”
EF English Proficiency Index, the world’s largest report of its kind, ranked Thailand 55th — ahead of only Panama, Kazakhstan, Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq — on a list of 60 countries in its latest report, released last November. In 2010, Thailand was ranked 116th out of 163 countries surveyed for Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) performance.
But while there are fears of a short-term dip in English education quality, some industry experts see the visa clampdown as an opportunity to professionalise the industry.
Garth Marshall, 48, director of study at ECC Language School, said tighter enforcement of immigration rules would eventually bring positive results to the country’s schools.
“Eventually the English-teaching industry will be professionalised as foreign teachers will have to enrol in a one-month training course, obtain a certificate and be better qualified as a teacher,” he said. “We can work with recruitment agencies that can screen the teachers for us. There might be some difference in terms of fees, but we are willing to put in a lot more work to find suitable teachers.”
A staff member at a private language school where Jon used to work said: “The process will not affect foreigners who really intend to teach. They will have to accept the new procedure if they really want to be a teacher.”
LOOKING FOR LOOPHOLES
The looming clampdown on visa runs is already fuelling a rush for foreign nationals to legitimise their stay in Thailand. One industry likely to feel the positive effects of this is Thai-language education, since foreign nationals who enrol to study Thai in certified schools are eligible for long-term education visas.
While some muay Thai camps can arrange non-immigrant B visas for long-term students, language schools are far more popular. One Pattaya visa agent told Spectrum that a language course would look much better on a visa application than a muay Thai course.
But, officially at least, you have to attend the classes or the school will not provide the necessary paperwork to complete the 90-day renewals.
Unofficially, however, many schools are not so stringent with their attendance requirements. Posing as a prospective student, Spectrum contacted several Thai language schools in Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya, and found a range of standards, from the scrupulous to some that act as little more than visa mills.
Several schools said it would be possible to enrol in a 200-hour course and obtain a one-year visa without having to attend any classes at all.
They did warn, however, that immigration officers are likely to conduct spot interviews, in Thai, during 90-day renewal procedures. Students who fail to demonstrate any proficiency in the language risk having their visa revoked. The schools said they would not be held liable if a student has their visa cancelled after failing to attend classes.
But even if students do attend classes, the 200-hour minimum annual requirement to obtain a visa works out at a little less than four hours per week, a small burden to shoulder those looking to extend their stay here. While holding an education visa does not entitle a foreigner to gain employment in Thailand, the reality is that many are still able to work as English teachers due to the lax recruitment standards employed by most schools.
STAMPING THEIR AUTHORITY
An officer in the Aranyaprathet immigration office in Sa Kaeo province, one of the most popular spots for in-out visa runs, revealed to Spectrum that officers had been conducting stricter checks on passports for several months. Foreigners with two or three back-to-back re-entry stamps were mostly being turned away, she said.
A high-ranking officer at Songkhla’s Sadao Immigration Centre, who also asked not to be named, said officers in the South had been ordered to launch a crackdown on visa runs and overstays from the middle of last month. Nationalities on the watch list include Russian, South Korean and Filipino, the officer said.
However, the officer was dubious about whether the crackdown would solve the problem of visa abusers, saying people could still find ways to cheat the system.
A source inside the Immigration Bureau said border officers have been ordered to request travel documents such as tickets, proof of funds and documents showing proof of accommodation.
The source was confident the measure would not deter the millions of legitimate tourists who enter the country every year.
Harvie, 26, who runs the blog A Farang Abroad, says he is from the UK, earns money in Australia, and spends up to nine months of the year in Thailand to take advantage of the warm weather and good food. He complained that the new measures would make it difficult for people like him who are legal and help the economy.
“I know they are trying to crack down on people working here illegally, but why would Western people work here illegally? The average wage in Australia is around A$25-30 (750-900 baht) per hour,’’ he said,
‘‘People ask me what I do in Thailand; I just tell them I have fun.”
But the visa-run crackdown is likely to prompt many expats to reconsider their plans to remain in Thailand. New overstay penalties are proposed for October, which if approved would include being banned from entering Thailand for between one and 10 years. They would also mean obtaining a valid visa is more important than ever for those foreigners living here illegally. Previous overstay rules mandated only fines of 500 baht per day up to a maximum of 20,000 baht.
Jon, the English teacher, is also giving more thought to his short-term and long-term goals. “I might plan a short holiday in Europe in the near future, but in the long run I might have to obtain a work permit through my local business contacts here.”
The side effect of this measure, he adds, is that it could discourage some foreigners from coming here. “I came to Thailand because it is a good destination and easy to travel to, but some will be discouraged from coming here in the future because of this measure.”
If it proves too difficult for expats to stay and work in Thailand long-term, local businesses catering to Western clients will also feel the pinch.
“Many foreigners message me on my website that they are worried about coming here because they feel they could get rejected for a visa,” blogger Harvie said.
“In the future, a lot of hotels and tour companies are going to be hurt, as Western people bring in a lot of money. I think condo prices may fall too, as there won’t be enough people filling them. “I agree that people should not be working here illegally under the wrong visa and I hope that they do stop that. But I hope that the new changes will not affect people like me, who just come and spend extended periods of time in Thailand.”
‘QUALITY’ CONTROL
Pol Col Voravat stressed to Spectrum that the cancellation of in-out visa runs would not affect any foreigner who was in the country legally.
He explained that there was no change to the policy itself, only to the extent in which it is being enforced.
“There will be no one who is here with honest intentions affected by this stricter enforcement,” Pol Col Voravat said. “Good people will lose nothing and gain a lot more privileges for following the law. Those who will suffer from the enforcement are those who are here in the wrong way to begin with. People who are really here to work, travel or retire will definitely not affected by it.”
Pol Col Voravat explained that immigration officers would still be allowed to use their discretion when choosing to deny or allow entry, meaning backpackers and other tourists spending long periods travelling in Southeast Asia would not be affected provided they can prove their intention to travel, rather than reside, in Thailand.
“If the online system shows that you have stayed here for 30 days, then left the country for one day, and wish to come back in again, we will interview you,” Pol Col Voravat explained. “If your reason for returning is not satisfactory, we have no choice but to reject your right of entry on the spot. We are more than welcoming to foreigners who wish to come to work, stay and retire here. But they should be a quality person. They should at least have enough money to be able to take care of themselves.”
-- Spectrum/Agencies 2014-08-03"
"Coming to the end of the visa run -
local language schools may suffer most
BANGKOK: -- As thousands of long-term expats fear for the future amid a crackdown on the improper use of visas and exemptions, it could be local language schools that end up suffering most
In the past five years, Jon has travelled in and out of Thailand more than 60 times, using up four passports in the process. His travels have included short trips to neighbouring countries, including Singapore and Cambodia, and some summer breaks at home in the United Kingdom. Most of his trips were merely a walk out and walk in at the border, commonly known as a visa run among the thousands of expats living in Thailand without proper work or residency permits.
The school that hired Jon to teach English does not provide him with a work permit, meaning he must rely on monthly visa runs to continue his stay in the country he now considers home.
“I have been employed full-time by a private language school, but I have never obtained a work permit,” he said. “The school says the cost [of obtaining a permit] is high and it will be an investment risk on their part to provide paperwork for us when there is such a high turnover of English-language teachers in Thailand.”
Until recently, Jon had no problems making repeated visa runs. With as little as 3,000 baht in his pocket, he could take a van from the On Nut area to the border province of Sa Kaeo. From there, he could cross into Cambodia’s Poi Pet province, spend some time scouring the veritable sea of second-hand goods at Rong Kluea market, before walking back to Thailand and getting an extension of his tourist visa for another 30 days.
But last week, after a two-week stay in Singapore, Jon’s passport came under close scrutiny. After landing at Don Mueang airport, he, along with 12 other people, were taken aside by immigration officers who were concerned by the number of entry stamps inside their passports.
In the end, Jon was allowed to enter. But in the future, he is unlikely to be so lucky.
The Immigration Bureau has been tightening its enforcement of visa rules. Announced in May, the crackdown has already been enforced at some border crossings to prevent in-out visa runs, but will also extend to consulates and embassies issuing multiple back-to-back tourist visas. Tough new penalties will also be introduced for visa overstays, particularly those caught by authorities.
Pol Col Voravat Amornvivat, deputy commander of the bureau’s Investigation Division, said the crackdown is about ensuring foreign residents in Thailand meet the right level of “quality”.
“We want to make it easy for good people who are willing to follow the law to stay, but we want to make it difficult and impossible for those who abuse the law to remain here illegally,” he said.
PERMISSION TO WORK
Jon is now preparing to return to Singapore again in a couple of weeks; immigration staff stamped him into Thailand for only 30 days.
In the long run, obtaining a work permit would prove far cheaper than making frequent trips out of the country. But the requirements to work here legally are strict, both for individuals and for the employers who must sponsor the application.
In most cases, teachers who work in private or public schools nationwide must hold at least a bachelor’s degree. But the industry is known for its high turnover, and schools are mostly unwilling to lodge the paperwork required to support a work permit application for a teacher who is likely to leave within a year.
Spectrum contacted Jon’s employer, a well-established English-language school with several branches across the country, and was told by the visa section there that paperwork is covered for all teachers.
“When we first hire teachers, they usually have a tourist visa,” the school said. “But after 90 days we will apply for a non-immigrant B visa for them at the Immigration headquarters on Chaeng Watthana Road, and later we will be working towards obtaining a work permit while they might extend their stay by doing a visa run once or twice during that time.”
During his five years working for the institution, however, Jon said he has never even come close to obtaining a work permit, despite being a university graduate and holding a teaching certificate.
Ms Pam runs First Study Service, a recruitment agency which supplies English teachers to public and private schools across the country. She insists the responsibility to secure work permits rests solely on the schools which employ her teachers. “My agency does not cover work permit provisions because it acts mainly as a consultant to schools that wish to hire native English speakers as teachers,” she said. “After our teachers are hired by the schools, they will be responsible for the paperwork.” Ms Pam said one of the biggest barriers for schools sponsoring work permits is that many teachers — particularly those aged under 30 — have no intention of staying in Thailand long-term. She said many only remain in the country for a year before moving on.
Ms Pam said teachers applying for work through her agency will first go through a recruitment centre which will provide them with a teaching certificate. Those who fit the requirements — including holding at least a bachelor’s degree — will then be approached by her agency.
Later, she will offer what she calls a “consultancy service” to schools that wish to employ the teachers.
The school will negotiate a monthly salary directly with the teacher, usually between 35,000 and 45,000 baht, and First Study Service will claim a small service fee. The contract between the teacher and the school is by semester, which Ms Pam said is a reflection of the high turnover rate of teachers. “Most teachers, who are also travellers, do not plan to settle in Thailand.”
SCHOOL’S OUT
Ms Pam said that even though it is still too soon to know the full effects of the visa-run crackdown, she predicts changes will be seen when schools begin recruiting teachers for the second semester in November.
“The schools will have to bear higher costs in recruiting and will be under more pressure to fill vacant jobs for teachers. They might find it more difficult to hire teachers as the number of teachers working inside the country might decline. Moreover, the higher cost of paperwork processing might lead to increased salaries for teachers [to reduce turnover],” she said.
“I think this measure will ultimately affect schools in the longer term.”
Andrew Biggs, the founder of Andrew Biggs Academy which offers English-language courses and consultancy services to schools nationwide, also believes schools will be effected, particularly in terms of education quality.
“There are 40,000 schools nationwide under the supervision of Obec [the Office of the Basic Education Commission] and the English curriculum that they offer must be delivered through native speakers,” he said.
“It is true that some subjects can be handled by people of other nationalities including Filipino, but I fear the departure of native speakers to countries like Japan, Vietnam or South Korea which can pay teachers more.
“The loss will be on Thai education.”
EF English Proficiency Index, the world’s largest report of its kind, ranked Thailand 55th — ahead of only Panama, Kazakhstan, Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq — on a list of 60 countries in its latest report, released last November. In 2010, Thailand was ranked 116th out of 163 countries surveyed for Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) performance.
But while there are fears of a short-term dip in English education quality, some industry experts see the visa clampdown as an opportunity to professionalise the industry.
Garth Marshall, 48, director of study at ECC Language School, said tighter enforcement of immigration rules would eventually bring positive results to the country’s schools.
“Eventually the English-teaching industry will be professionalised as foreign teachers will have to enrol in a one-month training course, obtain a certificate and be better qualified as a teacher,” he said. “We can work with recruitment agencies that can screen the teachers for us. There might be some difference in terms of fees, but we are willing to put in a lot more work to find suitable teachers.”
A staff member at a private language school where Jon used to work said: “The process will not affect foreigners who really intend to teach. They will have to accept the new procedure if they really want to be a teacher.”
LOOKING FOR LOOPHOLES
The looming clampdown on visa runs is already fuelling a rush for foreign nationals to legitimise their stay in Thailand. One industry likely to feel the positive effects of this is Thai-language education, since foreign nationals who enrol to study Thai in certified schools are eligible for long-term education visas.
While some muay Thai camps can arrange non-immigrant B visas for long-term students, language schools are far more popular. One Pattaya visa agent told Spectrum that a language course would look much better on a visa application than a muay Thai course.
But, officially at least, you have to attend the classes or the school will not provide the necessary paperwork to complete the 90-day renewals.
Unofficially, however, many schools are not so stringent with their attendance requirements. Posing as a prospective student, Spectrum contacted several Thai language schools in Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya, and found a range of standards, from the scrupulous to some that act as little more than visa mills.
Several schools said it would be possible to enrol in a 200-hour course and obtain a one-year visa without having to attend any classes at all.
They did warn, however, that immigration officers are likely to conduct spot interviews, in Thai, during 90-day renewal procedures. Students who fail to demonstrate any proficiency in the language risk having their visa revoked. The schools said they would not be held liable if a student has their visa cancelled after failing to attend classes.
But even if students do attend classes, the 200-hour minimum annual requirement to obtain a visa works out at a little less than four hours per week, a small burden to shoulder those looking to extend their stay here. While holding an education visa does not entitle a foreigner to gain employment in Thailand, the reality is that many are still able to work as English teachers due to the lax recruitment standards employed by most schools.
STAMPING THEIR AUTHORITY
An officer in the Aranyaprathet immigration office in Sa Kaeo province, one of the most popular spots for in-out visa runs, revealed to Spectrum that officers had been conducting stricter checks on passports for several months. Foreigners with two or three back-to-back re-entry stamps were mostly being turned away, she said.
A high-ranking officer at Songkhla’s Sadao Immigration Centre, who also asked not to be named, said officers in the South had been ordered to launch a crackdown on visa runs and overstays from the middle of last month. Nationalities on the watch list include Russian, South Korean and Filipino, the officer said.
However, the officer was dubious about whether the crackdown would solve the problem of visa abusers, saying people could still find ways to cheat the system.
A source inside the Immigration Bureau said border officers have been ordered to request travel documents such as tickets, proof of funds and documents showing proof of accommodation.
The source was confident the measure would not deter the millions of legitimate tourists who enter the country every year.
Harvie, 26, who runs the blog A Farang Abroad, says he is from the UK, earns money in Australia, and spends up to nine months of the year in Thailand to take advantage of the warm weather and good food. He complained that the new measures would make it difficult for people like him who are legal and help the economy.
“I know they are trying to crack down on people working here illegally, but why would Western people work here illegally? The average wage in Australia is around A$25-30 (750-900 baht) per hour,’’ he said,
‘‘People ask me what I do in Thailand; I just tell them I have fun.”
But the visa-run crackdown is likely to prompt many expats to reconsider their plans to remain in Thailand. New overstay penalties are proposed for October, which if approved would include being banned from entering Thailand for between one and 10 years. They would also mean obtaining a valid visa is more important than ever for those foreigners living here illegally. Previous overstay rules mandated only fines of 500 baht per day up to a maximum of 20,000 baht.
Jon, the English teacher, is also giving more thought to his short-term and long-term goals. “I might plan a short holiday in Europe in the near future, but in the long run I might have to obtain a work permit through my local business contacts here.”
The side effect of this measure, he adds, is that it could discourage some foreigners from coming here. “I came to Thailand because it is a good destination and easy to travel to, but some will be discouraged from coming here in the future because of this measure.”
If it proves too difficult for expats to stay and work in Thailand long-term, local businesses catering to Western clients will also feel the pinch.
“Many foreigners message me on my website that they are worried about coming here because they feel they could get rejected for a visa,” blogger Harvie said.
“In the future, a lot of hotels and tour companies are going to be hurt, as Western people bring in a lot of money. I think condo prices may fall too, as there won’t be enough people filling them. “I agree that people should not be working here illegally under the wrong visa and I hope that they do stop that. But I hope that the new changes will not affect people like me, who just come and spend extended periods of time in Thailand.”
‘QUALITY’ CONTROL
Pol Col Voravat stressed to Spectrum that the cancellation of in-out visa runs would not affect any foreigner who was in the country legally.
He explained that there was no change to the policy itself, only to the extent in which it is being enforced.
“There will be no one who is here with honest intentions affected by this stricter enforcement,” Pol Col Voravat said. “Good people will lose nothing and gain a lot more privileges for following the law. Those who will suffer from the enforcement are those who are here in the wrong way to begin with. People who are really here to work, travel or retire will definitely not affected by it.”
Pol Col Voravat explained that immigration officers would still be allowed to use their discretion when choosing to deny or allow entry, meaning backpackers and other tourists spending long periods travelling in Southeast Asia would not be affected provided they can prove their intention to travel, rather than reside, in Thailand.
“If the online system shows that you have stayed here for 30 days, then left the country for one day, and wish to come back in again, we will interview you,” Pol Col Voravat explained. “If your reason for returning is not satisfactory, we have no choice but to reject your right of entry on the spot. We are more than welcoming to foreigners who wish to come to work, stay and retire here. But they should be a quality person. They should at least have enough money to be able to take care of themselves.”
-- Spectrum/Agencies 2014-08-03"
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?
Re: Visa runs banned after Aug 12
Here are the details of the changes to the immigration orders that will be effective as of August 29th (according to ThaiVisa):
"New orders are a revision of the previous police order with changes only done to the following clauses.
Clause 2.4 In the case of tourism purposes.
Adds visa exempt entries to this clause that was only for tourist visa entries before. A 30 day extension will be allowed.
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Clause 2.7 In the case of a teacher, professor, expert or educational personnel in a private educational institution:
Adds the following:
Educational Personnel is: Person performing librarian, guidance, educational technology, registration and evaluation, general administration, supporter of education as specified by the Private Education Commission
Also adds the following under Criteria for Consideration.
(4) In case of educational personnel, the alien must have degree or experience that meet the work requirement and the ratio of alien employees shall not exceed
10 percent of total teachers or instructors in a particular education institution.
There is a significant change under this clause of 138/2557 verses 305/2551 for supporting documents. This should make it much easier when changing jobs.
3. Copy of work permit or application form in case of changing institution of teaching during the validity of work permit.
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Clause 2.9 In the case of enrollment in a private educational institution:
This is the most common extension for attending a school. It is possible that language schools may fall under these changes.
Adds
(2) In case of nonformal school, each permission shall be granted for a period certified by the educational institution, for no more than 90 days, total length of stay shall not exceed
one year from the date of entering the Kingdom.
Types of non-formal school are such as religion, arts and sports, vocational, tutoring and skill development school as specified by the Private Education Commission ***
Also: *** Announcement from the Private Education Commission,
Subject: Types and nature of schools, teaching management and curriculum of non-formal school dated on 12 February 2009
· Religious school: a school established by sole purpose of teaching religion
· Art and Sports school: a school established to provide education of music, art and sports
· Vocational school: a school established to provide vocational skills to be applied to further carrier or as an additional skill for learners
· Tutoring school: a school established to provide additional knowledge parrarel to the general education curriculum
Skill Development school: established to develop talents, ideas and other skills of learners
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Clause 2.18 That is for extension based upon marriage to a Thai or being the parent of a Thai child. The following has been added to (5) which the criteria for being a parent.
"In case the father or mother requests to be under maintenance of children, the age of father or mother must be 50 years of age or over."
It is not clear what this will mean. It apparently will be done on a case by case basis because it was inserted before this statement in the original order..
"For other necessary cases, the Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner of Immigration Bureau is granted the authority to make decisions regarding approval on a case-by-case basis."
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Clause 2.20 For dependent extensions for family members those that have extension.under various clauses of the police order.
Adds dependents of those that an have non immigrant visas that end with an " A". Such as the non immigrant OA (long stay) visa which is the most common under this category..
This has also been added under the criteria.(5)
"and must not be over 20 years of age except in case of the person hereof is of illness or disability and cannot live without support of father or mother"
An additional list of supporting documents for this change has been added to 138/2557
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Clause 2.25 For medical extensions.
Adds the following.and an additional criteria for them.
B. In case of receiving medical treatment for applicant from Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates and other countries as announced by the Ministry of Interior,
the attendant of such applicant is exempted from visa issuance.
Supporting documents for this change has been added to 138/2557 also.
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Clause 2.26 In the case of litigation or court proceedings:
Add the following under criteria.
"(2) The applicant does not behave in such a way that indicating his intention to stay longer."
I interpret this to mean that the applicant has not been trying to deliberately delay the case to stay longer.
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Clause 2.32 In case of a sport visitor or athletic personnel:
I call this new clause the football player clause. It would also be for managers, coaches and etc. It sets a minimum salary of 40,000 baht.
This clause has also been added to 138/2557 for supporting documents."
"New orders are a revision of the previous police order with changes only done to the following clauses.
Clause 2.4 In the case of tourism purposes.
Adds visa exempt entries to this clause that was only for tourist visa entries before. A 30 day extension will be allowed.
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Clause 2.7 In the case of a teacher, professor, expert or educational personnel in a private educational institution:
Adds the following:
Educational Personnel is: Person performing librarian, guidance, educational technology, registration and evaluation, general administration, supporter of education as specified by the Private Education Commission
Also adds the following under Criteria for Consideration.
(4) In case of educational personnel, the alien must have degree or experience that meet the work requirement and the ratio of alien employees shall not exceed
10 percent of total teachers or instructors in a particular education institution.
There is a significant change under this clause of 138/2557 verses 305/2551 for supporting documents. This should make it much easier when changing jobs.
3. Copy of work permit or application form in case of changing institution of teaching during the validity of work permit.
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Clause 2.9 In the case of enrollment in a private educational institution:
This is the most common extension for attending a school. It is possible that language schools may fall under these changes.
Adds
(2) In case of nonformal school, each permission shall be granted for a period certified by the educational institution, for no more than 90 days, total length of stay shall not exceed
one year from the date of entering the Kingdom.
Types of non-formal school are such as religion, arts and sports, vocational, tutoring and skill development school as specified by the Private Education Commission ***
Also: *** Announcement from the Private Education Commission,
Subject: Types and nature of schools, teaching management and curriculum of non-formal school dated on 12 February 2009
· Religious school: a school established by sole purpose of teaching religion
· Art and Sports school: a school established to provide education of music, art and sports
· Vocational school: a school established to provide vocational skills to be applied to further carrier or as an additional skill for learners
· Tutoring school: a school established to provide additional knowledge parrarel to the general education curriculum
Skill Development school: established to develop talents, ideas and other skills of learners
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Clause 2.18 That is for extension based upon marriage to a Thai or being the parent of a Thai child. The following has been added to (5) which the criteria for being a parent.
"In case the father or mother requests to be under maintenance of children, the age of father or mother must be 50 years of age or over."
It is not clear what this will mean. It apparently will be done on a case by case basis because it was inserted before this statement in the original order..
"For other necessary cases, the Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner of Immigration Bureau is granted the authority to make decisions regarding approval on a case-by-case basis."
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Clause 2.20 For dependent extensions for family members those that have extension.under various clauses of the police order.
Adds dependents of those that an have non immigrant visas that end with an " A". Such as the non immigrant OA (long stay) visa which is the most common under this category..
This has also been added under the criteria.(5)
"and must not be over 20 years of age except in case of the person hereof is of illness or disability and cannot live without support of father or mother"
An additional list of supporting documents for this change has been added to 138/2557
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Clause 2.25 For medical extensions.
Adds the following.and an additional criteria for them.
B. In case of receiving medical treatment for applicant from Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates and other countries as announced by the Ministry of Interior,
the attendant of such applicant is exempted from visa issuance.
Supporting documents for this change has been added to 138/2557 also.
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Clause 2.26 In the case of litigation or court proceedings:
Add the following under criteria.
"(2) The applicant does not behave in such a way that indicating his intention to stay longer."
I interpret this to mean that the applicant has not been trying to deliberately delay the case to stay longer.
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Clause 2.32 In case of a sport visitor or athletic personnel:
I call this new clause the football player clause. It would also be for managers, coaches and etc. It sets a minimum salary of 40,000 baht.
This clause has also been added to 138/2557 for supporting documents."
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?