Eppo to wind down EV subsidy period
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/ne ... recent_box
The Energy Policy and Planning Office (Eppo) expects to close the application period for partial subsidies for the development of charging stations for electric vehicles (EVs) in 2019.
Wattanapong Kurovat, director-general of Eppo, said this project was for state agencies and companies interested in constructing EV charging stations for the past four years. It had six rounds of enrolment.
In the initial period, Eppo offered a full subsidy to applicants.
Eppo financed the project via the Conservation Fund and collaboration with the Electric Vehicle Association of Thailand (EVAT).
The office has extended 46 million baht over six rounds.
"We have had applications to develop 80 charging stations so far, well below our expectation of 100 stations," said Mr Wattanapong.
Forty of the stations are in service, while the remainder are expected to begin operations this year. Two EV versions are compatible with the stations: plug-in hybrid and battery EVs.
He said EV charging stations have become more affordable for investors, so the subsidy programme will not be necessary in the future.
Moreover, state agencies and companies can apply for Board of Investment incentives to build EV charging stations.
"Eppo has a leftover budget of 1 million baht it plans to return to the Conservation Fund," said Mr Wattanapong.
Yossapong Laoonual, EVAT president, said the cost for EV charging stations has dropped over three years to 1 million baht for quick-charge varieties and 100,000 baht for normal charging stations.
In the past, the cost for a quick-charge type stood at around 2 million baht and the normal type was 400,000-500,000 baht.
"There are a small number of EVs on the road, so we need more action plans to encourage Thai motorists to buy new EVs," said Mr Yossapong. "Thailand has 10,000 registered plug-in hybrid EVs and 200 battery EVs."
In a related development, Eppo and EVAT have joined hands with other state agencies, educational institutions and companies to co-organise the Asean Sustainable Energy Week 2019 during June 5-8 in Bangkok.
UBM Asia Thailand is the main organiser.
The event will highlight renewables, energy efficiency and environmental innovations and technologies from 45 countries. The organisers expect 25,000 participants during the four-day showcase.
EVs will be presented at this exhibition with test driving opens.
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Land Rover Discovery Sport gets electrified
https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1 ... lectrified
Seven-seat SUV updated with new platform to support mild hybrid tech, plus novel driving aids to ease off-roading.
The Land Rover Discovery Sport first made its debut in 2014 making it five years old in its current generation.
But rather than getting a total redesign, the Discovery Sport has merely been updated. Even so, the changes are quite extensive under the skin.
The major change is the platform which now supports 48V mild hybrid tech in all petrol and diesel 2.0-litre variances.
This architecture was first used in the second-gen Range Rover Evoque (which has yet to launch in Thailand). Like in the new Evoque, a 1.5-litre three-cylinder petrol-electric with plug-in facility joins the Discovery Sport lineup later this year.
While the exterior sees only minimal changes made to the bumpers (and wheel design), the interior has been revamped on a larger scale to accommodate a new digital instrument panel and infotainment screen.
The central display can also portray images of the ground below the vehicle for easier off-roading, not to mention the additional upgrade of the so-called Terrain Response 2 driving mode.
Other new bits include the steering wheel and gear lever, which now is of the joystick type rather than the rotary dial of the outgoing model.
While the Discovery Sport looks basically the same in terms of design, Land Rover says the more rigid platform allows for better handling and more cruising refinement.
If you consider the Thai market, in particular, the Evoque might sound a better proposition due to the fancier Range Rover badge and its funkier styling.
After all, we’re talking about an import that needs to face tough competition from Thai-made SUVs from the German camp like the BMW X3 and Mercedes-Benz GLC.
Objectively speaking, the Discovery Sport is for those needing practicality for the family and occasional use of seven seats, the latter aspect not available in the Bimmer or Merc.
Apparently, the Thai Land Rover agent has tried to make the Discovery Sport cheaper in price to prevent buyers from conveniently settling for the Evoque.
While the Discovery Sport has been sold with a 150hp diesel with prices ranging from 3.2-3.5 million baht, the Evoque has been touted with a more powerful 180hp variation costing 3.8-4.3 million baht.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1 ... lectrified
Seven-seat SUV updated with new platform to support mild hybrid tech, plus novel driving aids to ease off-roading.
The Land Rover Discovery Sport first made its debut in 2014 making it five years old in its current generation.
But rather than getting a total redesign, the Discovery Sport has merely been updated. Even so, the changes are quite extensive under the skin.
The major change is the platform which now supports 48V mild hybrid tech in all petrol and diesel 2.0-litre variances.
This architecture was first used in the second-gen Range Rover Evoque (which has yet to launch in Thailand). Like in the new Evoque, a 1.5-litre three-cylinder petrol-electric with plug-in facility joins the Discovery Sport lineup later this year.
While the exterior sees only minimal changes made to the bumpers (and wheel design), the interior has been revamped on a larger scale to accommodate a new digital instrument panel and infotainment screen.
The central display can also portray images of the ground below the vehicle for easier off-roading, not to mention the additional upgrade of the so-called Terrain Response 2 driving mode.
Other new bits include the steering wheel and gear lever, which now is of the joystick type rather than the rotary dial of the outgoing model.
While the Discovery Sport looks basically the same in terms of design, Land Rover says the more rigid platform allows for better handling and more cruising refinement.
If you consider the Thai market, in particular, the Evoque might sound a better proposition due to the fancier Range Rover badge and its funkier styling.
After all, we’re talking about an import that needs to face tough competition from Thai-made SUVs from the German camp like the BMW X3 and Mercedes-Benz GLC.
Objectively speaking, the Discovery Sport is for those needing practicality for the family and occasional use of seven seats, the latter aspect not available in the Bimmer or Merc.
Apparently, the Thai Land Rover agent has tried to make the Discovery Sport cheaper in price to prevent buyers from conveniently settling for the Evoque.
While the Discovery Sport has been sold with a 150hp diesel with prices ranging from 3.2-3.5 million baht, the Evoque has been touted with a more powerful 180hp variation costing 3.8-4.3 million baht.
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Tesla is now doomed. Here’s how its EV dream will soon come crashing down
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla ... 44337.html
Tesla completely transformed the automotive landscape when it introduced the Roadster, pioneering the mass-market electric car. It sold the first widely-available EV, and it did it with a product that you could easily live with every day. The company has done more to further the electric game than anyone else and deserves total credit for making EVs a part of the discussion when it comes to the future of the automobile. Tesla has changed the world. It’s also doomed.
The last mainstream automaker to be launched from scratch in the United States was Saturn, a heavily subsidized child of the GM family. Even with those deep pockets, it failed. History is littered with dead automotive brands. The list of deceased automakers is also replete with visionary leaders who pioneered new tech and aimed to dominate the luxury market.
This is all to say: we’ve been here before. Hudson, Tucker, DeLorean, Packard, and more. The stories here are all different in their specifics, with some succumbing to shady government dealing, others losing to price wars. While the immediate causes of their failures might be unique, the fact that they failed certainly is not.
The consumer automobile game is devilishly tough. The dirty secret of the car making world is that the big brands only make around 6% margin on every car they sell. That’s a pathetic amount of profit when compared to other well-known brands like Nike, Apple, or Disney. Shoes, upscale electronics, and entertainment (as well as scores of other industries) all offer double the profit margins, faster production times, less regulation, and fewer unionized workforces. Building cars is dumb. Car companies make billions of dollars in profits because they sell so many cars, not because each car is so profitable. And therein lies the rub for Tesla.
Why Tesla is doomed
The only way to be successful at car manufacturing is to do it at a very large scale. You have to sell hundreds of thousands, if not millions of cars per year to be stable. In 2018, Tesla shifted a total of 245,240 cars. The Model 3 also became the best-selling luxury automobile in United States. 2018 was a fantastic year for Tesla. It has also taken the company to the very brink of imploding.
Scaling up production lines and capacity is the activity that is killing Tesla, but scaling up further is the only thing that can save it. The company is at the low point of a “production valley” where becoming capable of building 300,000 cars has made them wildly unprofitable, but the only way to get to profit is to build even more capacity to enable it to make 700,000 – 1,000,000 cars. Tesla could potentially have, or raise, the billions needed to do this. It could, that is, if the company could concentrate on doing one thing at a time.
Tesla’s worst enemy is Elon Musk. The serial entrepreneur has an affliction that many serial entrepreneurs have: Shiny Thing Syndrome. Mr. Musk loves to chase after new challenges and novel projects. Tesla is currently producing 3 different cars, wall chargers, charging stations, electric semi-trucks, photovoltaic roofs, and spearheading autonomous technology. Throw in the odd flamethrower, underground tunnels, and a new insurance product (not to mention Space X), and you see a leader not focused on doing the hard work of pushing his company through a crisis of scale, but a man obsessed with moon-shots and new projects.
It should be noted that Musk has never operated any business at this scale before. Running a nimble online service such as Paypal is a very different thing than running a multinational car manufacturer — especially one that is exclusively pursuing new technologies. Quite frankly, Musk is not qualified to be CEO of Tesla any longer, and the mismatch of his skills to the company’s needs could not be worse timed for Tesla.
In the next 12 months, practically all other major global auto manufacturers have plans to release their own electric cars. Tesla ate their lunch last year when it became the best-selling luxury car, but at that time, it was the only EV game in town. More worryingly, the most common Tesla owner complaints happen to be the areas that traditional car companies excel at: Fit and finish, service infrastructure, and execution on timelines. When Porsche announced its Taycan electric sedan, its #1 source of reservations was from current Tesla owners. This is a surefire sign that the Tesla customer base is eager to upgrade to something better.
China, the world’s largest car market, and the savior of many global brands, cannot save Tesla. Indeed, the current trade war between the U.S. and China is hurting Tesla more than any other car company. The current price for a Tesla Model 3 in China is approximately $73,000, with roughly $30,000 of that price being the result of China’s import tariffs. In January, Elon Musk broke ground on a Gigafactory in China, and the total investment in the project is expected to exceed $4 billion, according to Goldman Sachs. That is an amount of money Tesla, quite frankly, doesn’t have to spend. After a disastrous first quarter 2019, the company quickly raised $2.35 billion in stock and debt. Even with this recent cash infusion, Musk told employees the company would be out of cash in 10 months if spending continued at current levels.
The end of Tesla
Tesla will not go bankrupt. It cannot go bankrupt. At the moment, the company is still well-placed to raise another funding round and could likely even do as many as three more funding events before investors stop lining up. Failure for Tesla won’t happen tomorrow, but it is coming. More and more evangelists are changing their tunes as competition in EVs gets fiercer. Wall street is losing patience with broken promises and erratic CEO behavior. And the everyday consumer is finding more electric car options that tempt their dollar now that Tesla is not the only game in town. No, Tesla’s end will not happen tomorrow, nor will it be a dramatic collapse.
Telsa is too valuable a brand to disappear in a cloud of Chapter 11 smoke. Again, history bears this out. The vast majority of automotive brands from years past were acquired or absorbed into larger brands, where some succeeded brilliantly (Dodge) and others slowly morphed into something unrecognizable (Hudson). Arguably, the Tesla brand is the most valuable piece of Tesla’s balance sheet as other manufacturers have caught up with their hard technology (batteries, chargers), and are rapidly chasing down their soft technology (Autopilot). The Tesla brand is global in reach, and still viewed favorably overall by the public.
The endgame for Tesla is an acquisition. It is the way of the automotive jungle — the circle of corporate life, as it were. The unknowable part at the moment is exactly who will acquire Tesla, as the list is quite long. Another car company is the reflexive bet, but Silicon Valley and Chinese auto manufacturers are all likely bidders as well. Apple already offered to buy Tesla back in 2013 for more than the company is worth at the time of this story. The field of suitors is wide open, and the eventual winner could well come as a surprise to the everyday public.
Regardless of who steps up to the plate, it will be very surprising if the transaction is labelled as an acquisition. No — this will be a “merger” or “partnership” to protect egos and that all-important Tesla brand (again, the most valuable asset on their books). Any upcoming news of a partnership with a Toyota or a Mercedes should not be seen as a life preserver thrown out in good faith, but a wholesale pirate sacking of the company. Musk will quietly slip away to chase his shiny things, popping in for product launches and tweetstorms, but the adults will be put in charge and set a profitable course. What happens after that, no one can know.
Before the pitchforks come out, make no mistake: The world is a better place for Tesla having existed. Electric cars are no longer made out of old Porsche 914s by a guy in a shed. We are moving toward an electric future, all thanks to underdog Tesla. The world, and Americans especially, are enamored with an underdog story. But more often than not, the underdog loses. That’s why they are underdogs. In the best of worlds, Tesla can influence Mercedes or a Chinese company from the inside to really nail electric cars and make them the most affordable option for consumers. I hope that comes to pass for all our sakes.
Tesla is dead. Long live Tesla.
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla ... 44337.html
Tesla completely transformed the automotive landscape when it introduced the Roadster, pioneering the mass-market electric car. It sold the first widely-available EV, and it did it with a product that you could easily live with every day. The company has done more to further the electric game than anyone else and deserves total credit for making EVs a part of the discussion when it comes to the future of the automobile. Tesla has changed the world. It’s also doomed.
The last mainstream automaker to be launched from scratch in the United States was Saturn, a heavily subsidized child of the GM family. Even with those deep pockets, it failed. History is littered with dead automotive brands. The list of deceased automakers is also replete with visionary leaders who pioneered new tech and aimed to dominate the luxury market.
This is all to say: we’ve been here before. Hudson, Tucker, DeLorean, Packard, and more. The stories here are all different in their specifics, with some succumbing to shady government dealing, others losing to price wars. While the immediate causes of their failures might be unique, the fact that they failed certainly is not.
The consumer automobile game is devilishly tough. The dirty secret of the car making world is that the big brands only make around 6% margin on every car they sell. That’s a pathetic amount of profit when compared to other well-known brands like Nike, Apple, or Disney. Shoes, upscale electronics, and entertainment (as well as scores of other industries) all offer double the profit margins, faster production times, less regulation, and fewer unionized workforces. Building cars is dumb. Car companies make billions of dollars in profits because they sell so many cars, not because each car is so profitable. And therein lies the rub for Tesla.
Why Tesla is doomed
The only way to be successful at car manufacturing is to do it at a very large scale. You have to sell hundreds of thousands, if not millions of cars per year to be stable. In 2018, Tesla shifted a total of 245,240 cars. The Model 3 also became the best-selling luxury automobile in United States. 2018 was a fantastic year for Tesla. It has also taken the company to the very brink of imploding.
Scaling up production lines and capacity is the activity that is killing Tesla, but scaling up further is the only thing that can save it. The company is at the low point of a “production valley” where becoming capable of building 300,000 cars has made them wildly unprofitable, but the only way to get to profit is to build even more capacity to enable it to make 700,000 – 1,000,000 cars. Tesla could potentially have, or raise, the billions needed to do this. It could, that is, if the company could concentrate on doing one thing at a time.
Tesla’s worst enemy is Elon Musk. The serial entrepreneur has an affliction that many serial entrepreneurs have: Shiny Thing Syndrome. Mr. Musk loves to chase after new challenges and novel projects. Tesla is currently producing 3 different cars, wall chargers, charging stations, electric semi-trucks, photovoltaic roofs, and spearheading autonomous technology. Throw in the odd flamethrower, underground tunnels, and a new insurance product (not to mention Space X), and you see a leader not focused on doing the hard work of pushing his company through a crisis of scale, but a man obsessed with moon-shots and new projects.
It should be noted that Musk has never operated any business at this scale before. Running a nimble online service such as Paypal is a very different thing than running a multinational car manufacturer — especially one that is exclusively pursuing new technologies. Quite frankly, Musk is not qualified to be CEO of Tesla any longer, and the mismatch of his skills to the company’s needs could not be worse timed for Tesla.
In the next 12 months, practically all other major global auto manufacturers have plans to release their own electric cars. Tesla ate their lunch last year when it became the best-selling luxury car, but at that time, it was the only EV game in town. More worryingly, the most common Tesla owner complaints happen to be the areas that traditional car companies excel at: Fit and finish, service infrastructure, and execution on timelines. When Porsche announced its Taycan electric sedan, its #1 source of reservations was from current Tesla owners. This is a surefire sign that the Tesla customer base is eager to upgrade to something better.
China, the world’s largest car market, and the savior of many global brands, cannot save Tesla. Indeed, the current trade war between the U.S. and China is hurting Tesla more than any other car company. The current price for a Tesla Model 3 in China is approximately $73,000, with roughly $30,000 of that price being the result of China’s import tariffs. In January, Elon Musk broke ground on a Gigafactory in China, and the total investment in the project is expected to exceed $4 billion, according to Goldman Sachs. That is an amount of money Tesla, quite frankly, doesn’t have to spend. After a disastrous first quarter 2019, the company quickly raised $2.35 billion in stock and debt. Even with this recent cash infusion, Musk told employees the company would be out of cash in 10 months if spending continued at current levels.
The end of Tesla
Tesla will not go bankrupt. It cannot go bankrupt. At the moment, the company is still well-placed to raise another funding round and could likely even do as many as three more funding events before investors stop lining up. Failure for Tesla won’t happen tomorrow, but it is coming. More and more evangelists are changing their tunes as competition in EVs gets fiercer. Wall street is losing patience with broken promises and erratic CEO behavior. And the everyday consumer is finding more electric car options that tempt their dollar now that Tesla is not the only game in town. No, Tesla’s end will not happen tomorrow, nor will it be a dramatic collapse.
Telsa is too valuable a brand to disappear in a cloud of Chapter 11 smoke. Again, history bears this out. The vast majority of automotive brands from years past were acquired or absorbed into larger brands, where some succeeded brilliantly (Dodge) and others slowly morphed into something unrecognizable (Hudson). Arguably, the Tesla brand is the most valuable piece of Tesla’s balance sheet as other manufacturers have caught up with their hard technology (batteries, chargers), and are rapidly chasing down their soft technology (Autopilot). The Tesla brand is global in reach, and still viewed favorably overall by the public.
The endgame for Tesla is an acquisition. It is the way of the automotive jungle — the circle of corporate life, as it were. The unknowable part at the moment is exactly who will acquire Tesla, as the list is quite long. Another car company is the reflexive bet, but Silicon Valley and Chinese auto manufacturers are all likely bidders as well. Apple already offered to buy Tesla back in 2013 for more than the company is worth at the time of this story. The field of suitors is wide open, and the eventual winner could well come as a surprise to the everyday public.
Regardless of who steps up to the plate, it will be very surprising if the transaction is labelled as an acquisition. No — this will be a “merger” or “partnership” to protect egos and that all-important Tesla brand (again, the most valuable asset on their books). Any upcoming news of a partnership with a Toyota or a Mercedes should not be seen as a life preserver thrown out in good faith, but a wholesale pirate sacking of the company. Musk will quietly slip away to chase his shiny things, popping in for product launches and tweetstorms, but the adults will be put in charge and set a profitable course. What happens after that, no one can know.
Before the pitchforks come out, make no mistake: The world is a better place for Tesla having existed. Electric cars are no longer made out of old Porsche 914s by a guy in a shed. We are moving toward an electric future, all thanks to underdog Tesla. The world, and Americans especially, are enamored with an underdog story. But more often than not, the underdog loses. That’s why they are underdogs. In the best of worlds, Tesla can influence Mercedes or a Chinese company from the inside to really nail electric cars and make them the most affordable option for consumers. I hope that comes to pass for all our sakes.
Tesla is dead. Long live Tesla.
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This is a complete load of fear mongering crap from a guy who writes almost always negative articles about Tesla. He doesn't disclose if he is a short or is paid by somebody shorting, but I wouldn't doubt it.
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You could well be right but there are some pertinent points. I have colleagues in Europe who ordered Tesla 3's and paid a deposit but when they got a chance to cancel and get there money back, they did because you can now get similar vehicles for 2/3 the price and delivered tomorrow from the likes of Hyundai.
As the article says, last year Tesla was the place to go for an electric car but I was reading recently that at least 20 new models will be released this year from traditional automotive companies.
Personally, I would like to buy an electric car here to drive the 12km to town and back but I don't need anything as prestigious as a Tesla, just a small basic run-around would do the job.
( Incidentally, aren't you the guy who built the electric Porsche 914 in a shed? )
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Toyota EV sales expected to grow in 4 Asian markets
https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1 ... s#cxrecs_s
MANILA: Toyota Motor Asia Pacific Pte Ltd on Wednesday said it sees a 4% to 5% growth in sales of its electric vehicles in four main hybrid markets in Asia, buoyed by strong sales of such vehicle type in Thailand.
At a press conference during Toyota's Hybrid Technology Conference in Manila, the Singapore-based company's executive vice president Vince Socco said that around 18,000 units were sold last year in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and India.
"The biggest market we have so far is Thailand," Socco said, citing the popularity there of the Toyota C-HR model, a hybrid subcompact crossover sport utility vehicle.
Socco said that affordability and accessibility have driven the popularity of the Toyota C-HR there, where it is priced on the average at 979,000 baht.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1 ... s#cxrecs_s
MANILA: Toyota Motor Asia Pacific Pte Ltd on Wednesday said it sees a 4% to 5% growth in sales of its electric vehicles in four main hybrid markets in Asia, buoyed by strong sales of such vehicle type in Thailand.
At a press conference during Toyota's Hybrid Technology Conference in Manila, the Singapore-based company's executive vice president Vince Socco said that around 18,000 units were sold last year in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and India.
"The biggest market we have so far is Thailand," Socco said, citing the popularity there of the Toyota C-HR model, a hybrid subcompact crossover sport utility vehicle.
Socco said that affordability and accessibility have driven the popularity of the Toyota C-HR there, where it is priced on the average at 979,000 baht.
- Toyota sees a 4% to 5% growth in sales of its vehicles, including C-HR model, in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and India. (Bangkok Post photo)
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As Nereus has posted, the Toyota CHR would cover the 12 kms with ease and at about 1 million, more affordable than many of the alternatives, especially the TeslaSTEVE G wrote:You could well be right but there are some pertinent points. I have colleagues in Europe who ordered Tesla 3's and paid a deposit but when they got a chance to cancel and get there money back, they did because you can now get similar vehicles for 2/3 the price and delivered tomorrow from the likes of Hyundai.
As the article says, last year Tesla was the place to go for an electric car but I was reading recently that at least 20 new models will be released this year from traditional automotive companies.
Personally, I would like to buy an electric car here to drive the 12km to town and back but I don't need anything as prestigious as a Tesla, just a small basic run-around would do the job.
( Incidentally, aren't you the guy who built the electric Porsche 914 in a shed? )
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That's all true and I'm happy that some of the traditional car companies are finally entering the electric market after so many press releases over the last 10 years, although in very low numbers and limited markets and first-generation efforts. You get what you pay for, because the Tesla is far and away a better car, so people have a choice to make for price & features. Most BMW M3 buyers are not seriously looking at a Hyundai, different markets. The Nissan Leaf is coming to Thailand this summer after 9 years on the world market, with only the smallest battery pack available, for THB 2 million.STEVE G wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 8:38 amYou could well be right but there are some pertinent points. I have colleagues in Europe who ordered Tesla 3's and paid a deposit but when they got a chance to cancel and get there money back, they did because you can now get similar vehicles for 2/3 the price and delivered tomorrow from the likes of Hyundai.
As the article says, last year Tesla was the place to go for an electric car but I was reading recently that at least 20 new models will be released this year from traditional automotive companies.
Personally, I would like to buy an electric car here to drive the 12km to town and back but I don't need anything as prestigious as a Tesla, just a small basic run-around would do the job.
( Incidentally, aren't you the guy who built the electric Porsche 914 in a shed? )
And yes, I am that guy with the 914, thanks for remembering! Next week I'm going up to the EV conference in Bangkok again and I have a plan to talk with the EV-minded government ministers about helping me to bring the car over here, wish me luck!
P.S. Check out my video on electric vehicles from the recent Bangkok Auto Show:
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Ugh, it's not electric, it's a hybrid. Toyota has even gone so far to call their hybrids "Self-Charging" in their advertising.Nereus wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 9:06 am Toyota EV sales expected to grow in 4 Asian markets
https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1 ... s#cxrecs_s
MANILA: Toyota Motor Asia Pacific Pte Ltd on Wednesday said it sees a 4% to 5% growth in sales of its electric vehicles in four main hybrid markets in Asia, buoyed by strong sales of such vehicle type in Thailand.
At a press conference during Toyota's Hybrid Technology Conference in Manila, the Singapore-based company's executive vice president Vince Socco said that around 18,000 units were sold last year in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and India.
"The biggest market we have so far is Thailand," Socco said, citing the popularity there of the Toyota C-HR model, a hybrid subcompact crossover sport utility vehicle.
Socco said that affordability and accessibility have driven the popularity of the Toyota C-HR there, where it is priced on the average at 979,000 baht.
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That’s to differentiate it from a “plug-in hybrid”mwbrown wrote:Ugh, it's not electric, it's a hybrid. Toyota has even gone so far to call their hybrids "Self-Charging" in their advertising.Nereus wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 9:06 am Toyota EV sales expected to grow in 4 Asian markets
https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1 ... s#cxrecs_s
MANILA: Toyota Motor Asia Pacific Pte Ltd on Wednesday said it sees a 4% to 5% growth in sales of its electric vehicles in four main hybrid markets in Asia, buoyed by strong sales of such vehicle type in Thailand.
At a press conference during Toyota's Hybrid Technology Conference in Manila, the Singapore-based company's executive vice president Vince Socco said that around 18,000 units were sold last year in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and India.
"The biggest market we have so far is Thailand," Socco said, citing the popularity there of the Toyota C-HR model, a hybrid subcompact crossover sport utility vehicle.
Socco said that affordability and accessibility have driven the popularity of the Toyota C-HR there, where it is priced on the average at 979,000 baht.
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And until such time as Thailand's infrastructure in the way of public charging stations is put in place, a "Hybrid" makes much better sense.mwbrown wrote:Ugh, it's not electric, it's a hybrid. Toyota has even gone so far to call their hybrids "Self-Charging" in their advertising.
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If you only have one vehicle, replacing it with an EV wouldn't make much sense at the moment but if you have two, it's a different thing altogether to have one EV and one conventional vehicle.Nereus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:12 pmAnd until such time as Thailand's infrastructure in the way of public charging stations is put in place, a "Hybrid" makes much better sense.mwbrown wrote:Ugh, it's not electric, it's a hybrid. Toyota has even gone so far to call their hybrids "Self-Charging" in their advertising.
We have a car and a pickup and I would consider keeping the pickup and getting an EV as a local run-around. Probably 90% of our journeys are from home to town, which is a 25km round trip, so even 100km range would be adequate.
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We have bought two new cars this year to replace two that were coming up to three years old.
One was another petrol 7 seater for the wife, who runs our son and his friends around and also for longer (700miles + journeys) and the second was a diesel hatchback, which is my pub car, for the occasional shortish trip etc.
We had considered an electric car, but didn’t like the small models in offer, mainly due to the short range.
We have the room to charge a car at home but in the end went for cars that we were familiar with.
Maybe when the time comes to change them, range will have been increased to somewhere around 400 miles, that would definitely make a medium sized hatchback electric car very attractive. As for an electric seven seater, it would have to have a range of 400miles before we’d consider one.
One was another petrol 7 seater for the wife, who runs our son and his friends around and also for longer (700miles + journeys) and the second was a diesel hatchback, which is my pub car, for the occasional shortish trip etc.
We had considered an electric car, but didn’t like the small models in offer, mainly due to the short range.
We have the room to charge a car at home but in the end went for cars that we were familiar with.
Maybe when the time comes to change them, range will have been increased to somewhere around 400 miles, that would definitely make a medium sized hatchback electric car very attractive. As for an electric seven seater, it would have to have a range of 400miles before we’d consider one.
I've lost my mind and I am making no effort to find it.
Re: Electric Cars
I haven't driven 400 miles in one day for at least five years!
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