What is all the fuss about Covid?

[HHTel]

From the CDC:

VAERS CDC Disclaimer

Source: VAERS.HHS.GOV

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

[nil]

You missed out this bit. The reports are actually reviewed and verified. Doctors that have reported them say they get a telephone call back. And it is a lengthy process to fill in a report with a lot of specific details needed including vaccine batch numbers and patient medical records.

How VAERS Reports Are Reviewed
Vaccine safety experts review all reports of serious adverse events submitted to VAERS. A serious adverse event after vaccination is something that causes

Permanent disability
Hospitalization or an extended hospital stay (if vaccinated while in the hospital)
Life-threatening illness
Birth defects (congenital anomalies)
Death
When VAERS staff members follow-up on a report of a serious adverse event, they ask for the patient’s medical records related to the event to learn more about what happened.

VAERS reports are available to the public, but to protect privacy and confidentiality they do not include information that could identify the person.

[Lost]

It's obvious the vaccines do their job. And the benefits far outweigh the risks for those aged 40+ or with health issues. As per the government data, those who've had 2 shots are 96% less likely of death. Not too shabby.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ctober2021


But some perspective needs to be drawn. I'm glad England is now taking a sensible approach. No restrictions. Nothing shut down. I'm currently in a coffee shop and noone is putting a mask on or off as they go to the counter and back to their table. Probably 40-50 people in here. Not a single mask. Costa.

Moving back to normality.

Edit: I'll still whack a mask on in other shops. Not in a place for eating/drinking though.

[Lost]

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There's no hysteria, panic or fear mongering in England anymore. We're over it.

Keep calm and carry on.

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[lindosfan1]

What has not been mentioned is anti vaxxerswho have caught the covid virus wish that they had taken the virus.
The omnicrom virus is highly contagious but less dangerous, that in shown in all stats, however the death rate is very steady.
Boris has refrained fro m the lockdown this time. Ireland and Scotland kept the restrictions and have had more cases thasn England

[Robinhood]

What is all the fuss about Covid? Despite all the precautions, Deaths: 5,504,015. Without precautions ?
Antivaxers : Multiple choice question:

A. Stupid
B. Selfish
C. Ignorant
D. All of the above.

[Lost]

At the beginning of the pandemic, sure—a fuss was necessary.

Not now for countries that are largely vaxxed, I don't think. 90%+ for UK. 74% Thailand. If we're saying a fuss is still needed, we're saying the vaccines aren't doing their jobs. Which is kind of playing into the anti-vaxxers hands.

They're either working or they aren't. I'm going with they are.

[pharvey]

Speaking from the UK: As one who has been hit with Covid (twice) before vaccines were available to me (or many others), I can attest to the fact that my symptoms have not been caused by the vaccine and the virus is not a simple fecking flu!! My stance towards "anti-vaxxers" and "Covid Conspiracists" remains the same in that they are selfish, arrogant twunts who are dullards in the extreme. I have not been able to return to the job that I have done for over 30 years and which provides for my family - for 2 years now as my physical fitness has suffered incredibly due to this BS!
I have lost friends and family due to Covid - yes one or two elderly but it was before their time (fcuk stats) - explain those in their late 40's or early 50's (leaving wives and kids)?

However, due to the massive rollout of vaccines, we are getting better control and getting to a point where lockdowns and restrictions can and should be reduced/stopped. If only the afore mentioned pricks would get vaccinated and stop putting pressure on the NHS, business, general life and those of us sensible and considerate enough to think not only of ourselves, but others we effect.

How many operations have been put off due to ant-vaxxers taking up space in NHS hospitals when suffering from Covid?

That is what "All the fuss about Covid" you fecking Muppet!

[HHTel]

You missed out this bit. The reports are actually reviewed and verified. Doctors that have reported them say they get a telephone call back. And it is a lengthy process to fill in a report with a lot of specific details needed including vaccine batch numbers and patient medical records.

How VAERS Reports Are Reviewed
Vaccine safety experts review all reports of serious adverse events submitted to VAERS. A serious adverse event after vaccination is something that causes

Permanent disability
Hospitalization or an extended hospital stay (if vaccinated while in the hospital)
Life-threatening illness
Birth defects (congenital anomalies)
Death
When VAERS staff members follow-up on a report of a serious adverse event, they ask for the patient’s medical records related to the event to learn more about what happened.

VAERS reports are available to the public, but to protect privacy and confidentiality they do not include information that could identify the person.

That disclaimer I posted is from VAERS own website. If they point out that the date isn't reliable who can possibly disagree with them.

From their own website:

When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

This is them pointing out the shortfalls in VAERS reports.

It's managed by the CDC ffs!

[sateeb]

One major flaw with these anti-vaxxers et al is that they pick and choose to publish alleged "facts" from highly dubious sources that fit in with their narrow minded views and they have a sense of intellectual superiority that they cannot believe, or understand, that others will call them out. Two plus years into this pandemic HV comes out of the woodwork with a post that is beyond belief, citing the Sweden example which even the most ardent anti's have conveniently gone quiet about. Nil pops up every now and then with his futile attempts at promoting disinformation from, at best, questionable sources. Thankfully the vast majority of members here have a fair and balanced view of unfolding events without having to rely on publishing "quack" data or spending their hard earned cash on "miracle" cures pushed on them by snake oil salesman looking to make a quick buck from the "gullibles" .

[HHTel]

[buksida]

I've made it a NY resolution not to comment on any more covid threads but ...

If those countries that have the majority vaccinated (eg Thailand) are still in forced lockdown, destroying the economy and livelihoods even further, then what was the point? This has done way more long-term damage to regular people than covid.

I'm no anti-vaxer (had my 2) but they were supposed to help us live with the virus by preventing hospitalization and death. If that was the case, then why are we all still living under heavy restrictions, vaccinated or not. Is this the permanent state of things now (we know it favours dictatorships)?

More than two years later, nothing has changed. We have to learn to live with this virus instead of trying to hide away from it with lockdown after lockdown since they clearly don't work.

[sateeb]

I've made it a NY resolution not to comment on any more covid threads but ...

If those countries that have the majority vaccinated (eg Thailand) are still in forced lockdown, destroying the economy and livelihoods even further, then what was the point? This has done way more long-term damage to regular people than covid.

I'm no anti-vaxer (had my 2) but they were supposed to help us live with the virus by preventing hospitalization and death. If that was the case, then why are we all still living under heavy restrictions, vaccinated or not. Is this the permanent state of things now (we know it favours dictatorships)?

Three years later - we have to learn to live with this virus instead of trying to hide away from it with lockdown after lockdown since they clearly don't work.

Agreed, and there does seem to a movement towards that in the UK at least. Here, this pandemic has been a godsend to the autocratic state as a means to subjugate the "plebs" and I fear they will stretch this out as long as they and their buddies in big business rake in billions.

[HHTel]

I agree with everything said by Buksi and Sateeb. The voices of reason!!

[KhunLA]

I've made it a NY resolution not to comment on any more covid threads but ...

If those countries that have the majority vaccinated (eg Thailand) are still in forced lockdown, destroying the economy and livelihoods even further, then what was the point? This has done way more long-term damage to regular people than covid.

I'm no anti-vaxer (had my 2) but they were supposed to help us live with the virus by preventing hospitalization and death. If that was the case, then why are we all still living under heavy restrictions, vaccinated or not. Is this the permanent state of things now (we know it favours dictatorships)?

Three years later - we have to learn to live with this virus instead of trying to hide away from it with lockdown after lockdown since they clearly don't work.

Agreed, and there does seem to a movement towards that in the UK at least. Here, this pandemic has been a godsend to the autocratic state as a means to subjugate the "plebs" and I fear they will stretch this out as long as they and their buddies in big business rake in billions.

It's becoming fairly obvious, even to the most blind, that's all it ever was, a power & money grab, by those who could. Somehow the world fell for it ... that's the embarrassing part. Ignorance is Bliss ... and very profitable.

IMHO