You need to go to one of the better hospitals in Bangkok, like Samtivej, and you get the same doctor everytime. They're not that expensive compared to locally, just the hassle of travelling.
SJ
My ACV Results
hhf
You may find this article in The Bangkok Post of interest.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/life/family/ ... ral-healer
'Oh Mr Wu....skippedy-doo, skippedy--doo, skippedy-doo, skippedy--doo...What shall I do....
lindosfan1
You have made it clear in your demands, that it is important, when anyone is offering advice, to ensure they know what they are talking about. I completely agree. You have described vinegar and honey as 'quack preparations'. Let me point out to you that these are two components of salad dressing, Salad dressing is used widely in the Mediterranean and is considered part and parcel of a normal 'balanced diet', a very healthful one apparently. 'Quack preparations' are indeed very dangerous and to be avoided. I strongly advise tossing one's salad to reduce the danger.
Would you agree that 'Vioxx' was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people. Would it be correct then, to call it a 'quack preparation'? With your deep knowledge of the industry, please advise how many 'eminent, qualified professionals' pronounced Vioxx safe?
You insisted quite strongly that only the professionally qualified should pronounce on health matters. Yet you admit you are not professionally qualified. When you searched for the definition of 'quack', did you not also search for the definition of 'hypocrite'?
It would be helpful to ascertain what falls under your description of 'quackery'? It's not clear from your postings and you seem to be making generalized statements, which I know you detest. Please clarify.
I am sure that all can agree that it is very important to unmask 'quack' modalities and practitioners. Of the following health systems, please advise which you would describe as 'quackery' and why?
1. Thai Traditional Medicine
2. The Ayurvedic System of Medicine
3. Herbalism
4. The Indian Nature Cure Health System
5. Homeopathy
6. Traditional Chinese Medicine
Would you additionally please advise whether you consider any system that uses 'trial and error', rather than Science, to be 'quackery?
In consideration of your apparent battling role as defender of all things conventional, please advise what members should do when they fear injury from the methods used by those who quite clearly are breaking the 'Hippocratic Oath'? Could you also explain why those who adopt a non-violent approach to health are somehow 'bad' or 'charlatans', while those who adopt a violent approach to health are somehow 'good'? Do you believe that when Hippocrates said 'First do no harm' he meant except when sticking needles in your arm, removing organs, burning, mutilating, aborting foetuses, inflicting side effects, cutting open your chest and sticking a knife in your heart, dismembering animals and the hundred and one other 'best' approaches, that do clear violence to the individual? (Setting aside the outcome for a moment)
Is it your position that those who seek less aggressive treatments are wrong to do so? Do you believe that people have a right to health freedom? Do you believe it is wrong to raise awareness of other approaches to health?
Would you say it is accurate to describe someone, who attempts to disrupt discussion on topics other members have expressed an interest in, and attacks someone with different views, is 'prejudiced', 'closed-minded' and 'ignorant'?
You are a stickler, I know, when it comes to demanding that others answer questions. I look forward to yours.
You may find this article in The Bangkok Post of interest.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/life/family/ ... ral-healer
'Oh Mr Wu....skippedy-doo, skippedy--doo, skippedy-doo, skippedy--doo...What shall I do....
lindosfan1
You have made it clear in your demands, that it is important, when anyone is offering advice, to ensure they know what they are talking about. I completely agree. You have described vinegar and honey as 'quack preparations'. Let me point out to you that these are two components of salad dressing, Salad dressing is used widely in the Mediterranean and is considered part and parcel of a normal 'balanced diet', a very healthful one apparently. 'Quack preparations' are indeed very dangerous and to be avoided. I strongly advise tossing one's salad to reduce the danger.
Would you agree that 'Vioxx' was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people. Would it be correct then, to call it a 'quack preparation'? With your deep knowledge of the industry, please advise how many 'eminent, qualified professionals' pronounced Vioxx safe?
You insisted quite strongly that only the professionally qualified should pronounce on health matters. Yet you admit you are not professionally qualified. When you searched for the definition of 'quack', did you not also search for the definition of 'hypocrite'?
It would be helpful to ascertain what falls under your description of 'quackery'? It's not clear from your postings and you seem to be making generalized statements, which I know you detest. Please clarify.
I am sure that all can agree that it is very important to unmask 'quack' modalities and practitioners. Of the following health systems, please advise which you would describe as 'quackery' and why?
1. Thai Traditional Medicine
2. The Ayurvedic System of Medicine
3. Herbalism
4. The Indian Nature Cure Health System
5. Homeopathy
6. Traditional Chinese Medicine
Would you additionally please advise whether you consider any system that uses 'trial and error', rather than Science, to be 'quackery?
In consideration of your apparent battling role as defender of all things conventional, please advise what members should do when they fear injury from the methods used by those who quite clearly are breaking the 'Hippocratic Oath'? Could you also explain why those who adopt a non-violent approach to health are somehow 'bad' or 'charlatans', while those who adopt a violent approach to health are somehow 'good'? Do you believe that when Hippocrates said 'First do no harm' he meant except when sticking needles in your arm, removing organs, burning, mutilating, aborting foetuses, inflicting side effects, cutting open your chest and sticking a knife in your heart, dismembering animals and the hundred and one other 'best' approaches, that do clear violence to the individual? (Setting aside the outcome for a moment)
Is it your position that those who seek less aggressive treatments are wrong to do so? Do you believe that people have a right to health freedom? Do you believe it is wrong to raise awareness of other approaches to health?
Would you say it is accurate to describe someone, who attempts to disrupt discussion on topics other members have expressed an interest in, and attacks someone with different views, is 'prejudiced', 'closed-minded' and 'ignorant'?
You are a stickler, I know, when it comes to demanding that others answer questions. I look forward to yours.
"Let no one who has the slightest desire to live in peace and quietness be tempted, under any circumstances, to enter upon the chivalrous task of trying to correct a popular error."---William Thoms
Thanks SJ,
What I liked about the health care I used to get is that I didn't have to go to a hospital unless I needed one. Reputable doctors have an office with a receptionist, one or two nurses and enough equipment to do simple tests and exams. It's very personal medicine and over time you get to know them and they you like a friend. Then, even minor changes in test readings are noticed immediately and investigated further. I always felt like my health was being managed properly and anything serious would get noticed in one of my tri-monthly visits before it was too late.
Now, I feel like I'm totally responsible for my own health care and just go to a hospital for a checkup when I think I need one and usually see a different doctor every time and don't really feel like they care or are vested in my health in any way. I get that "health assembly line" feel. Maybe some of you (from Canada, U.K., or Europe) are used to that but I had a much more personal relationship with "my doctor" in the U.S.
Yeah, I guess that's possible if you make an advance appointment and request that particular doctor at most of the better hospitals in BKK. In my experience though most, if not all doctors there work in more than one hospital (required by the government, I was told) so they are in a certain location usually only on certain days of the week. My other problem is that I don't know anything about any of them. As in any profession there are good ones and bad ones. Any positive recommendations for an internist would be appreciated.You need to go to one of the better hospitals in Bangkok, like Samtivej, and you get the same doctor everytime.
What I liked about the health care I used to get is that I didn't have to go to a hospital unless I needed one. Reputable doctors have an office with a receptionist, one or two nurses and enough equipment to do simple tests and exams. It's very personal medicine and over time you get to know them and they you like a friend. Then, even minor changes in test readings are noticed immediately and investigated further. I always felt like my health was being managed properly and anything serious would get noticed in one of my tri-monthly visits before it was too late.
Now, I feel like I'm totally responsible for my own health care and just go to a hospital for a checkup when I think I need one and usually see a different doctor every time and don't really feel like they care or are vested in my health in any way. I get that "health assembly line" feel. Maybe some of you (from Canada, U.K., or Europe) are used to that but I had a much more personal relationship with "my doctor" in the U.S.
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?
HH Farang,
If you find a Dr that you are happy with then just take their business card. You can then contact them directly and find out where they consulting on a certain day and then make an appointment.
In Bumrungrad you can choose your Doctor on their website or search for a Doctor that has previously examined or treated you, aswell as being able to review their Medical qualifications and speciality.
You also don't even have to visit the same hospital to see your preferred Dr if he is working elsehere. I was being treated by an Orhopaedic surgeon in Bumrungrad, for fluid on my elbow, that required repeat visits. I was due to see him one week but I was in Pattaya playing golf with my wife. As he also consulted in Bangkok Pattaya hospital I re-arranged the appointment and he contacted Bummrungrad and got a copy of my medical records sent over the to Pattaya, easy.
If you find a Dr that you are happy with then just take their business card. You can then contact them directly and find out where they consulting on a certain day and then make an appointment.
In Bumrungrad you can choose your Doctor on their website or search for a Doctor that has previously examined or treated you, aswell as being able to review their Medical qualifications and speciality.
You also don't even have to visit the same hospital to see your preferred Dr if he is working elsehere. I was being treated by an Orhopaedic surgeon in Bumrungrad, for fluid on my elbow, that required repeat visits. I was due to see him one week but I was in Pattaya playing golf with my wife. As he also consulted in Bangkok Pattaya hospital I re-arranged the appointment and he contacted Bummrungrad and got a copy of my medical records sent over the to Pattaya, easy.
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hhf,
I don't know if it has changed now, but I don't think so, but in the UK the system is one of GPs who will refer you to a hospital when required, so the personal doctor we have been talking about. I don't think they have much of a GP system here, with maybe a few honourable exceptions. However I have now started seeing just one doctor at Petcharat since my hypertension was discovered which does make me feel more comfortable. The only problem I have is that my wife will always go with me (I don't object to that per se) and I will get left out of the conversation (as they will talk in Thai) about my health, despite my protestations! I then need to have it all repeated to me afterwards, which is both not the right way to do things, as well as wasting the doctors time. Her and my wife's English is good enough to do this as well. This situation has occurred with every doctor I have ever seen in Thailand, so I guess it is more that they are more comfortable speaking in their native tongue than anything else. Generally speaking in the UK GPs will see only the patient (when I was living there) and no one else, unless a child is being seen or if the patient requests it.
I don't know if it has changed now, but I don't think so, but in the UK the system is one of GPs who will refer you to a hospital when required, so the personal doctor we have been talking about. I don't think they have much of a GP system here, with maybe a few honourable exceptions. However I have now started seeing just one doctor at Petcharat since my hypertension was discovered which does make me feel more comfortable. The only problem I have is that my wife will always go with me (I don't object to that per se) and I will get left out of the conversation (as they will talk in Thai) about my health, despite my protestations! I then need to have it all repeated to me afterwards, which is both not the right way to do things, as well as wasting the doctors time. Her and my wife's English is good enough to do this as well. This situation has occurred with every doctor I have ever seen in Thailand, so I guess it is more that they are more comfortable speaking in their native tongue than anything else. Generally speaking in the UK GPs will see only the patient (when I was living there) and no one else, unless a child is being seen or if the patient requests it.
I know what you mean WL. I have that same problem when workers are doing something at the house and my wife is home. Even if they speak English they don't want to talk to me.
That's why I never take my wife with me to immigration or on doctor, dentist, or other professional appointments. I find it's better to make them and myself communicate with each other so that I come away with a better understanding of the situation. If I run into someone who speaks absolutely no English, the missus is only a phone call away.
Unless you mind, could you PM me you doctor's name at Petcharat? I may give her a try for health maintenance issues.
That's why I never take my wife with me to immigration or on doctor, dentist, or other professional appointments. I find it's better to make them and myself communicate with each other so that I come away with a better understanding of the situation. If I run into someone who speaks absolutely no English, the missus is only a phone call away.
Unless you mind, could you PM me you doctor's name at Petcharat? I may give her a try for health maintenance issues.
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?
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mr plum wrote
You insisted quite strongly that only the professionally qualified should pronounce on health matters. Yet you admit you are not professionally qualified. When you searched for the definition of 'quack', did you not also search for the definition of 'hypocrite'?
Did not need to I met you once
Mr plum
In consideration of your apparent battling role as defender of all things conventional, please advise what members should do when they fear injury from the methods used by those who quite clearly are breaking the 'Hippocratic Oath'? Could you also explain why those who adopt a non-violent approach to health are somehow 'bad' or 'charlatans', while those who adopt a violent approach to health are somehow 'good'? Do you believe that when Hippocrates said 'First do no harm' he meant except when sticking needles in your arm, removing organs, burning, mutilating, aborting foetuses, inflicting side effects, cutting open your chest and sticking a knife in your heart, dismembering animals and the hundred and one other 'best' approaches, that do clear violence to the individual? (Setting aside the outcome for a moment)
The outcome is this most important thing you cannot ignore that.
If the outcome is a good result then yes no problem but if the outcome is the result of illegal/unlawfull actions with a bad result big problem.
mr plum wrote
"Would you additionally please advise whether you consider any system that uses 'trial and error', rather than Science, to be 'quackery? "
Yes if performed by unqualified persons giving medical advise otherwise known as quacks
Doctors have to study for I believe 7 years and still learn after they are qualified.
You do seem to have a problem with me defending a profession, which on HHAD you have condemned many times, If you condemn one doctor because of bad treatment it does not qualify you to condemn the entire profession.
You insisted quite strongly that only the professionally qualified should pronounce on health matters. Yet you admit you are not professionally qualified. When you searched for the definition of 'quack', did you not also search for the definition of 'hypocrite'?
Did not need to I met you once
Mr plum
In consideration of your apparent battling role as defender of all things conventional, please advise what members should do when they fear injury from the methods used by those who quite clearly are breaking the 'Hippocratic Oath'? Could you also explain why those who adopt a non-violent approach to health are somehow 'bad' or 'charlatans', while those who adopt a violent approach to health are somehow 'good'? Do you believe that when Hippocrates said 'First do no harm' he meant except when sticking needles in your arm, removing organs, burning, mutilating, aborting foetuses, inflicting side effects, cutting open your chest and sticking a knife in your heart, dismembering animals and the hundred and one other 'best' approaches, that do clear violence to the individual? (Setting aside the outcome for a moment)
The outcome is this most important thing you cannot ignore that.
If the outcome is a good result then yes no problem but if the outcome is the result of illegal/unlawfull actions with a bad result big problem.
mr plum wrote
"Would you additionally please advise whether you consider any system that uses 'trial and error', rather than Science, to be 'quackery? "
Yes if performed by unqualified persons giving medical advise otherwise known as quacks
Doctors have to study for I believe 7 years and still learn after they are qualified.
You do seem to have a problem with me defending a profession, which on HHAD you have condemned many times, If you condemn one doctor because of bad treatment it does not qualify you to condemn the entire profession.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
I have provided several reasons why I and every other health consumer on this planet is qualified to criticize. You however, have yet to explain how Salad Dressing is a 'quack preparation'.lindosfan1 wrote:If you condemn one doctor because of bad treatment it does not qualify you to condemn the entire profession.
"Let no one who has the slightest desire to live in peace and quietness be tempted, under any circumstances, to enter upon the chivalrous task of trying to correct a popular error."---William Thoms
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darwinian
Darwinian 
Very true, funny thing when plum has talked about ACV in the past he has never mentioned salad dressing which is a product when sold in the shops.
ACV it is produced from apples who knows what goes into the ppreparation, so just eat more apples according to our expert one more may have an effect.
Very true, funny thing when plum has talked about ACV in the past he has never mentioned salad dressing which is a product when sold in the shops.
ACV it is produced from apples who knows what goes into the ppreparation, so just eat more apples according to our expert one more may have an effect.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
Re: salad
Indeed. Since Doctors have 7 years study and are qualified professionals, they would know. We should without doubt listen to them. This is why millions have been listening to a Vermont Doctor who, since the 50's has been prescribing Apple Cider Vinegar and Honey.darwinian wrote:To know if it is a quack preparation you need to know who prepared it.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -1,00.html
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"Let no one who has the slightest desire to live in peace and quietness be tempted, under any circumstances, to enter upon the chivalrous task of trying to correct a popular error."---William Thoms
sorry chasps and chaspesses but i cant resist apple cider vinegar is pressed fermented apple juice which has been urinated in by a vinegar fly all vinegar is made the same way 
Any home wine maker will tell you that dont need a rocket scientist or a herbalist mind you rocket is good for you same as spinach
Any home wine maker will tell you that dont need a rocket scientist or a herbalist mind you rocket is good for you same as spinach
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