Online Ordering - a sign of the times?

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HHTel wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:57 pm Lazada pay taxes in each country they are registered in. The law was changed in Thailand with rules for 3-commerce companies. The same in all the other countries where they operate. You can check it out.

No overheads? Look at this video of a Lazada warehouse in Thailand:

I dislike repeating myself and becoming a bore. Educate yourself on the taxes these online retailers are paying. Its way, way below what us mere morons pay. Yet they're bringing in biliions.

Not sure why you're choosing to fight the corner of bazillionaires. Unless you are one of them too. :shock:

I'll fight the corner of the little people all day long. Not sure I'd spend too much effort fighting the corners of billionaires but...

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I'm speaking off the top of my head now so may be wrong.

Let's surmise. Most of the turnover in these online markets comes from third party suppliers. Now let's say you buy a product for 1,000 baht online. The third party is paid less commission, say 1,000 less 10%. 900 baht to the third party and 100 baht in commission. Turnover to the online company is 1,000 baht. Commission is 100 baht on which they will pay 15% - 15 baht. Just looking at turnover, that would be 15 baht tax on 1,000 turnover.

It does seem that I'm fighting the corner of these moguls but if it wasn't for their success and the growing customer base, then they would fail wouldn't they. Just because something is successful doesn't mean that it's bad. Look at Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Alan Sugar ......... etc etc.
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Best service & price gets my ฿฿฿ Don't care who, where or how it's done. It's called a free market...........long may it live.

Also had my first order cancelled / refunded. Then notice relisted at higher price, and thought when purchased, it was an old listing, as considerably less expensive than the other vendors. I think it has happened before, but they honored the price and delivered, then unlisted the item.
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Anything that keeps me out of shops has to be good. I hate it when I go into a shop to buy something, and am repeatedly told that I don't want what I want, but I want something else. I usually just walk out with nothing.

I had an unusual experience in one of Hua Hin's supermarkets only last week. I know as much about wine as I know about golf - absolutely nothing. We are throwing a huge party soon, and I had to buy wine. I asked a friend what wines were decent enough to be acceptable for the event. She wrote down exactly what I needed.

I walked into the supermarket quite confidently. I went into the wine section and had to run the gauntlet of 5 different assistants. FFS, my friend had told me what I needed - I didn't need help. I eventually thought I had escaped the hired help, and found the red wine on my bit of paper. I bent down to select it, and bang. "No Misser, you don't want that, go here." Surprise, surprise, she wasn't pointing me to a different wine, just a shelf with more of the same, with easier access. I was actually pleased with help. I loaded my trolly with the red.

Then it was time for the white wine. Having won my confidence, I asked my little helper for wine by name (forgot now), told her it was Australian and even stated the price. First effort - this one is from Italy. My Geography is poor, but I know Italy is a long way from Australia. So I say, "No, I want Australian."

Bottle was returned to the shelf. My requirement was re-stated. This one is from Chile - very nice. I'm looking at the price, my wallet is in a cold sweat, and I'm thinking how do you know it's nice? This bottle was probably more than a week's wages for my little helper. Several further attempts, with me repeating my requirement (because she'd impressed me with the initial help, and she knew what I was looking for, I was sort of tied in to accepting her help).

I tried a different tack - I emphasised the price per bottle, without stating the type of wine. I think she realised she wasn't going to sell me what I presume was top quality wine, and she threw in the towel - she went straight to the wine I was seeking. I loaded it into my trolly and made my way to the checkout. In her favour, she did bring some empty wine boxes to the checkout for me to pack my purchase securely and did seal the boxes also.

By Thai standards, she probably thinks she did a pretty good job, and overall, I'd rate her service as about 7/10. However, this service in shops is what drives me away. I like to browse on my own. If I select the wrong item, sh*t happens - I live with the mistake. With online shopping, I can browse away, pick the item that I think I need and it arrives a couple of days later. Nobody telling me I don't want that one, I need this one (actually Mrs BB may try that, but that's married life :D ).

I detest the little helpers, and while they exist and won't leave me alone, I will use online shopping wherever I can. I don't care about who is paying what taxes. I want to be able to spend my hard earned money buying whatever I choose.
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Yesterday's Panorama on BBC1 was about "just eats" and "deliveroo" in the UK

(basically the companies where you order takeaway food on their website, and those companies have deals with all the takeaways, you order on their website, they pass the order on to the takeaway then deliver it to you and charge around 15% commission to the restaurant).

On the face of it all sounds innocent enough and good and fine and dandy.... but, it had a very dark underbelly I was totally unaware of. Planning laws being subverted and food safety legislation flouted. Promoting restaurants as "local legends" while in actual fact they had terrible hygiene scores and being promoted just because the restaurant coughs up the hefty "bump" fee deliveroo/just eats demands - totally ignoring the customer review scores. Restaurants moving their takeaway kitchens from the high streets to out of town locations and turning shipping containers into kitchens - none of these kitchens have been inspected for hygiene levels. Many of these containers all herded together in a fenced off area, but very close to residential properties. Residents living near these container/kitchen setups having to deal with almost 200 delivery bikes an hour speeding through their residential streets.

I'm a massive fan of airnbnb, if I used taxis enough I'd be a massive fan of Uber/Grab.... and I know those companies are killing the hotel/taxi trade in many areas... but something about that program last night disturbed me and made me stop and think about these ??? parasitic type companies. I don't like what they're doing.

On the flip side... I love my online shopping ! I would hate to go back to the days of blaring crappy music in stores, cramped changing rooms that are never quite clean, searching through racks for the right size, queuing up at tills, dealing with disinterested staff, up-sellers at the tills do my head in, and carting shopping bags around. I find shopping online far more pleasant.
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Big Boy wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:42 am Anything that keeps me out of shops has to be good.
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BB, I love you dearly (ok that might be putting a bit strongly...), but that has to be one of the funniest statements I've read this year (or last!). If what you write is to be believed, which I have no doubt it is, you spend almost as much of your time in shops as on the forum or walking your dogs!

And when you go shopping you must have a notepad with you, as you are so knowledgeable about local shopping, the 'go to' man for price comparisons, that you should have your own spot on the local TV channel! :cheers:
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DM - I'm dragged screaming and shouting at least once daily to the shops - I hate every minute of it. It's my Yin and Yang - I think for every minute I enjoy life in Thailand, I have to do an element of penance.

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Another factor is geography, if you don't live in a town which has a shiny department store online shopping sites such as Lazada are a godsend and often way cheaper than buying things locally.
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Not only a town with a shiny department store. We have a couple in Hua Hin, but my son still has to order specialist equipment online because it simply isn't available outside of Bangkok.
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buksida wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:32 am Another factor is geography, if you don't live in a town which has a shiny department store online shopping sites such as Lazada are a godsend and often way cheaper than buying things locally.
more often than not, and delivered to your door ... :thumb:

Except for western food items, HH doesn't offer much in the way of better shopping for myself. Krung Thep, better for everything, if not on LAZ ... :cheers:
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I'm wondering whether anything has moved on the online shopping / home delivery front since the last thread from years ago?

i believe Tesco do a "proper" online shopping & delivery service in BKK but not HH?

This article from 2016 mentions Delishop running a collection point, which would be a start http://www.thebigchilli.com/feature-sto ... ery-stores

PS: if you savour grocery shopping, good on you. I do 1% of the time. 99% of the timehauling nappies is just a chore - and tricky to outsource if you don't know a local shop's range.
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My daughter buys all her nappies and the like from Lazada. They're cheaper and often deliver the next day.
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Over the last few months I've bought quite a bit of stuff from Lazada. Most of it I have been delighted with. However, there have been 3 purchases related to covid shortages i.e.
  • Purchase 1 - At the beginning of the crisis (before restrictions were made) I ordered 3 boxes of 50 masks. They were very cheap. When my jiffy bag arrived, it contained 3 packs of 3 masks. OK, they took so long coming, I'd sourced masks elsewhere, so I said nothing.
  • Purchase 2 - I often suffer minor wounds for which I need medical alcohol. None available locally. I checked Lazada, and the only thing available was 5 litre containers at big prices. I can't be without it, so bit the bullet and bought 5 litres. It arrived very quickly. When I unpacked it, the contents was 1 litre. I was about to go apeshit, but when I thought about it, I had no use for the other 4 litres so let it go.
  • Purchase 3 - My son needed alcohol gel for his students (before the recent closures). At the time it was like rocking horse droppings in Hua Hin (it seems every other Facebook post is offering alcohol hand gel now). I checked Lazada and ordered 2 x 500ml bottles. They arrived today. When I opened the box, I took out 2 x 80ml tubes. Mr Nice Guy no more - I will take them to task this time.
So a warning to everybody who thinks they may be beating local 'Covid' shortages by ordering from Lazada - think twice as they don't appear to be supplying the product they are advertising.
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Did they charge your card for the larger quantities though?
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BB..Before you accept the package, open it and inspect before signing. Caveat Emptor :cheers:
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