Why is the Thai Baht so strong?

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Why is the Thai Baht so strong?

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As all expats depending on income in their home countries' currency are aware of, we don't get very many baht for our local currencies anymore....The trend has been over a number of years, but have accelerated downwards over the last couple of years.
The strong baht is hurting two major sources of income for Thailand: Tourism and exports.
So anything Thailand can do to adjust the price of the baht downwards?
As the above reveals...I know zero about currency-pricing...but is the baht at its right level now based on annual GDP-growth compared to the countries losing out to the baht?
Enlighten me please.

On a side note....Thai shops selling imported stuff have "forgotten" to adjust the the prices down to reflect the lower import prices.....See that is a real surprise... :laugh:
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Re: Why is the Thai Baht so strong?

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Much is down to Thailand's current account and it's high foreign currency reserves which means it's not dependent on other countries. It is starting to hurt exports and there is criticism that the BOT is manipulating it's currency.
Thailand's current account balance accounted for 10.8% of GDP in 2017, the eighth highest in the world, based on data compiled by the International Monetary Fund. By comparison, the ratio is negative for countries such as Turkey and South Africa, whose currencies have seen sharp sell-offs.
For the baht to be devalued, which in my opinion would be a correct move to protect exports, it would be interpreted as a 'loss of face'. Just my opinion.
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In my opinion, it makes perfect sense. Tourism is reported as 10% of Thailand's GDP, and demand is high/rapidly increasing according to TAT. It'll soon be a very sustainable 25%.................... if we believe what we're being told. Tourists love throwing money at Thailand, and are queuing up to throw more and more :?
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Re: Why is the Thai Baht so strong?

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^^
Tourism is 17-18% of the Thailand's GDP (2016)
Exports count for 68% of GDP (2016)

So no doubt the expensive baht is hurting Thai economy. The question is, if BOT is able to change the value of the baht on it's own....or if external factors are in play..?

As comparison the exports from the UK count for around 18% of the GDP, with the majority (15%) going to the EU.
In other words...Thailand are producing stuff, that the world wants to buy....UK not so much (apart from the famous baked beans).
Could that explain the fluctuating exchange rates...?
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I don't believe Thailand's figures.

When the baht was really kicking on a year or so back, the head of their export association said something had to be done, as the high baht was effecting export growth. Then a little later, the Government announced record export figures, defying such warnings and time after time, have kept on doing so, until recently, where a drop of as much as 4% was revealed.

There were even articles from 'experts' warning that as Thailand doesn't really produce or create anything unique for export (and the need to do so), that unless it did so, the high baht would mean buyers would just go elsewhere.

Of course, a high baht allows those with the funds, both private and companies, to invest abroad at very preferential rates, which they have been doing, although there is nominally, some sort of rule limiting such foreign investment, which seems to have gone by the by.

I don't believe it's a coincidence that the sudden 'slow-down' is coinciding with the election and more accountability.

But I'm no expert about this, bar the fact a high currency usually equates to an export hit, so this is just my take on things.
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Money manipulation is an old game. Worked for the Medici's so it works for Thailand, China, etc.
As long as the manipulators; banks, private individuals, govt. officials, etc. continue to make a profit and they will, the value of currency will be manipulated and the importers of currency, namely us, will have to import more and more money to meet our govt. mandated obligations. It won't be long until it's immigration for the wealthy. That's the situation in NZ, AU, Canada and probably other countries that I don't know about.
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I agree with those that think Thailand is manipulating it's currency value. We've seen the forecasted tourist, and economic, figures and many, myself included, think they are too high.

As HHTel wrote it would be a national loss of face.
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I'm not so sure I'd agree with some of the "excuses" as to why the THB is doing well.

The figures that TAT put out are a joke. I know that. But if anyone thinks that will influence the THB? Well, I don't see it. It's just propaganda, pure and simple.

I'd tend to agree that there will always be a measure of exchange manipulation and that happens worldwide. Some get richer and most simply don't.

But I do think that the other side of the coin needs to be looked at. And that's the value of western currencies.

Whether the collapse of the GBP is simply down to Brexit. Whether the USD is not as good as it was because the country owes China so much, I don't know.

But I do believe that we shouldn't look for excuses when our own economies are in a mess.
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I don't think the THB is that strong, it just the western currencies are that weak.

Our own countries' deficits......borderline bankruptcy, and I'm being kind, as borderline is a stretch....shh, just not allowed to say it out loud.
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GDP data, smooth election could fuel baht rally

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/fi ... baht-rally


The baht is looking to repeat its performance as one of Asia’s best currencies last year. Monday’s growth data will shed light on a key pillar of its recent strength and may help it stay in pole position at least through the first quarter.

After being beaten by only the yen in 2018, the Thai currency has outshone all its regional peers so far in 2019, rising by 4% against the dollar. A robust domestic economy has helped it outperform both the won and Taiwanese dollar, which also have the benefit of a current-account surplus.

“The baht’s outperformance is attributable to the real strength of the nation’s fundamentals, including the current-account surplus,” said Hironori Sannami, an emerging-market currency trader at Mizuho Bank in Tokyo. “That also includes the fact that it is less susceptible to the US-China trade war relative to other surplus economies like South Korea and Taiwan.”

Thailand is also less vulnerable to a downturn in the technology sector unlike South Korea and Taiwan, increasing the attractiveness of the baht, the analyst added.

The tourism sector, by one measure worth about a fifth of the economy, is also recovering, noted Frances Cheung, head of Asia macro strategy at Westpac Banking Corp in Singapore.

GDP Monday
Data due Monday is expected to show the economy grew 3.6% on an annual basis in the fourth quarter, its 12th consecutive quarter of above 3% growth. The Bank of Thailand said in its Feb 6 policy statement that the economy should continue gaining traction even though external demand might slow.

In fact, the health of the economy was one reason the Bank of Thailand has kept a hawkish tone, unlike many of its increasingly dovish global peers. Despite leaving rates unchanged at 1.75% at the latest meeting, two policy members of the Monetary Policy Committee voted for a 25 basis point increase, signaling a future rate hike remains a possibility, and further bolstering the relative attractiveness of the baht.

The central bank is closely monitoring the baht and is ready to act on any excessive currency movements, governor Veerathai Santiprabhob told reporters on Thursday. December’s rate hike didn’t stoke baht strength, rather dollar weakness, the current account surplus and a recovery in tourist arrivals is behind the move, he said.

Wild card
Of course, one wild card is the country’s upcoming national election in March, and investors are closely watching to see if political divisions erupt again. Allies of Thailand’s exiled former leader Thaksin Shinawatra are seeking to woo voters with a plan to revive economic growth after a failed bid by the Thai Raksa Chart Party to run Princess Ubolratana as a prime minister candidate in next month’s election.

Still, as United Overseas Bank pointed out in a client note on Tuesday, “both main contending parties practice pro-Keynesian, demand-focus policies, so any political gridlock is largely expected to centre around the size of stimulus and infrastructure investment.”

If political divisions can be held in check, the economy should continue to perform well no matter what party wins, and the baht should maintain its regional outperformance.
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Re: Why is the Thai Baht so strong?

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If this trend continue then it must hit exports which is a big factor in Thailand GDP.
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Re: Why is the Thai Baht so strong?

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HHTel wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:54 pm If this trend continue then it must hit exports which is a big factor in Thailand GDP.
Yes and no....as the link here shows, Thailand doesn't export very much to western countries (US being the only exception).....most of the exports are going to Asian neighbors. How their currencies are doing compared to the baht, I have no idea...
http://www.worldstopexports.com/thailan ... -partners/

Worth to notice that the countries who's currencies are losing out to the baht, are countries who have been busy printing 'funny money'....So maybe what we are experiencing is a dilution effect...?
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I deal only with the USD -baht exchange rates. While I’ve seen a little bit of change in the rate lately, It’s just been of a magnitude that feels like the normal annual ebb and flow. I could be wrong, perhaps it’s been a bit more significant than I give it credit for, just spread over a time period that makes it feel like it’s relatively stable ? Maybe, but right now I’m just not seeing much to be concerned about.
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Surely the baht will get stronger, if smooth elections and the illusion of normalcy has returned.

Since I've been here, arrived, 2000 and ฿ at 40, with a high of 45, and low of 29 over the years. If stays above, about ฿30 / $1 USD, I'm satisfied. Not happy, but better than < 30.

So lost 25 % income since arriving, along with 100+ % inflation since arriving also. All things that need to be considered when retirement planning. Especially on a fixed income, if applicable.

Sadly, I expect the same, over the next decade, loss of another 25% on fixed income, and added 100% for future inflation.

Plan accordingly.
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On a side note....Thai shops selling imported stuff have "forgotten" to adjust the the prices down to reflect the lower import prices.....See that is a real surprise... :laugh:
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Totally agree, but it's also farangs selling imports at inflated prices in their shops / restaurants etc , so farangs ripping off other farangs :tsk:
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