If taking your country to war on the strength of a trumped up bunch of lies and distortions isn't an act of treason then nothing is.
Blair belongs in prison and a lot of dead people deserve to be alive.
There's a difference between believing something passionately and being deluded. Regrettably, the apathetic British electorate got the government it deserved.
Rant over.
PM Blair announces resignation.
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mil-dos,
tell that to the thousands that were tortured & abused by the saddam regime.take a good look at the current state of iraq, iraqi killing iraqi for tribal domination, thats the main cause of the violence.
its funny how the tories & liberals supported the military action at the beginning but swayed by public outcry are now distancing themselves fom the issue.
a healthy economy, low interest rates. a better nhs service ( though not perfect) & unemployment kept at low levels throughout his terms in office.
thats what i will be remembering him for.
the not so good points for me would be the overload of immigration, abuse of the welfare system & the increase in crime.
all things dictated by the eurocrats & the ridiculous human rights brigade. i would say his hands were fairly tied on those points.
tell that to the thousands that were tortured & abused by the saddam regime.take a good look at the current state of iraq, iraqi killing iraqi for tribal domination, thats the main cause of the violence.
its funny how the tories & liberals supported the military action at the beginning but swayed by public outcry are now distancing themselves fom the issue.
a healthy economy, low interest rates. a better nhs service ( though not perfect) & unemployment kept at low levels throughout his terms in office.
thats what i will be remembering him for.
the not so good points for me would be the overload of immigration, abuse of the welfare system & the increase in crime.
all things dictated by the eurocrats & the ridiculous human rights brigade. i would say his hands were fairly tied on those points.
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Agree with a lot of what you say and would like to point out that the increase in immigration from europe could have been prevented, had the Govt. adopted the policies of Germany and others. Instead, the Govt. seriously miscalculated by creating an open door policy and I think this could be the undoing of the legacy - as I think its becoming intolerable. 2000 arrive weekly just via Victoria Bus Station alone - thats 104,000 per annum by one route alone. Its not sustainable.redzonerocker wrote:mil-dos,
the not so good points for me would be the overload of immigration, abuse of the welfare system & the increase in crime.
all things dictated by the eurocrats & the ridiculous human rights brigade. i would say his hands were fairly tied on those points.
Abuse of the welfare system is no worse than under the Tories, probably less so - ignore the tabloids. Thatchers Govt. laid a lot of the foundations for the abuse that Labour had to deal with - I find that ironic. Nearly as ironic as Blair getting rid of the one man that understands the welfare system almost better than anyone - Frank Field.
HRA is an issue and I think Reid got it right the other day when he said that parts of it need either to be re-written to deal with the world we live in, or repealed. A brave, but sensible (and popular) step for any new pm to do. Although the various civil rights groups, chattering classes and legal profession won't agree.
I wonder how long Brown will last? He's clearly a very intelligent and astute politician, but does he have the charisma for this presidential style led age?
Talk is cheap
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i agree with some of your points there caller.
i lived in germany for 4 years back in the early 90's & the immigration there was growing steadily then. its a lot easier to get into germany than the uk or should i say was!
we can't stop the immigration flow from european nations but we should have done the maths a little more accurately.
an overloaded nhs, over crowded schools, a shortage of housing & this was before the influx of yet more migrants.
why do we pay migrants child & housing benefits & also income support? i'm baffled by some of the payments we dish out to everyone & anyone who lands on our shores whether legal or illegal.
as for mr brown, yes not exactly mr charisma it must be said. very intelligent & he was a great chancellor, overall. only time will tell if he makes the grade as pm.
i may sound like a real labourite but i'm not, i just remember the dark days of the thatcher/major era when for 17 years we had the boom & bust economy.
under this government we haven't had mass unemployment, a recession (like most of europe have) & high interest rates with negative equity in the housing market (remember the 15% under the tories?).
tony blair must have some things right!?!
i lived in germany for 4 years back in the early 90's & the immigration there was growing steadily then. its a lot easier to get into germany than the uk or should i say was!
we can't stop the immigration flow from european nations but we should have done the maths a little more accurately.
an overloaded nhs, over crowded schools, a shortage of housing & this was before the influx of yet more migrants.
why do we pay migrants child & housing benefits & also income support? i'm baffled by some of the payments we dish out to everyone & anyone who lands on our shores whether legal or illegal.
as for mr brown, yes not exactly mr charisma it must be said. very intelligent & he was a great chancellor, overall. only time will tell if he makes the grade as pm.
i may sound like a real labourite but i'm not, i just remember the dark days of the thatcher/major era when for 17 years we had the boom & bust economy.
under this government we haven't had mass unemployment, a recession (like most of europe have) & high interest rates with negative equity in the housing market (remember the 15% under the tories?).
tony blair must have some things right!?!
When I talked about abuse of the welfare system, I was talking about fraud. It beggers belief that we legitimately provide so much welfare support (not full) to new arrivals, but thats often the reason they're here - its not rocket science.
But for those from europe, once in the UK for 12 months, they have the same rights as everyone else.
I know we joined the club, but I don't see why I should be paying for that? My wife has no recourse to public funds, full stop.
But for those from europe, once in the UK for 12 months, they have the same rights as everyone else.
I know we joined the club, but I don't see why I should be paying for that? My wife has no recourse to public funds, full stop.
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We, whoops, you, might not have mass unemployment. What you do have is mass public sector employment with it's associated pension bill time bomb. The costs of maintaining a generation getting their devalued degrees passed over to the students or parents (The expectation that everyone must go to university contributes positively to the unemployment figures). Unchecked immigration which boosts the labour vote and fuels the house price boom. The rediculous house price boom sustaining consumer confidence so that everyone spends on Visa until it's full, gets an MBNA card and transfers the balance, gets a new car every 5 minutes on lease purchase, gets an Ocean Finance loan when they run out of credit and remortgages their house to buy an 'investment' apartment on the Costas. Prudence this is not, and Noo Labour have driven it because it looks like a well run economy if you don't look to closely. Setting targets has become a national sport. Achievement, well that's not important. AND..... the only way to find a policeman seems to be to go for a drive and he'll find you!
Telling lies to justify a war is the greatest betrayal of the lot. One unpalatable reason why there is such chaos in Iraq is that we took the lid off it when it was invaded and it's army disbanded. By doing that, the lid was also taken off Iran. If the region becomes unstable it will be as a direct consequence of the actions of the Stiffled Smirk Blair and his near Messianic mission to stand shoulder to shoulder with Dubya.
Hands tied by Brussels! If the man can take the country to war (a few times) then he can surely interpret the rules on Banana shape to border controls in the real interests of his country.
Noo Labour's greatest success seems to be that nobody notices anything's wrong. People are still blaming the Tories when it was Trust Me Tone's ditching of his party's principles and putting on Tory clothes that made him electable in the first place.
Time for a lie down - all this getting angry takes it out of you!
Telling lies to justify a war is the greatest betrayal of the lot. One unpalatable reason why there is such chaos in Iraq is that we took the lid off it when it was invaded and it's army disbanded. By doing that, the lid was also taken off Iran. If the region becomes unstable it will be as a direct consequence of the actions of the Stiffled Smirk Blair and his near Messianic mission to stand shoulder to shoulder with Dubya.
Hands tied by Brussels! If the man can take the country to war (a few times) then he can surely interpret the rules on Banana shape to border controls in the real interests of his country.
Noo Labour's greatest success seems to be that nobody notices anything's wrong. People are still blaming the Tories when it was Trust Me Tone's ditching of his party's principles and putting on Tory clothes that made him electable in the first place.
Time for a lie down - all this getting angry takes it out of you!
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mil-dos, no need to get angry, its only debate & we all have our different views & reasons for them.
just remember,when labour took over, they inherited the mess the tories left behind which included massive debts & no structure whatsoever.
you're right there nevets on both points, think if it was put the vote tomorrow, we be out of europe like a shot.
as for the americans, don't they do that everywhere they go? they have little knowledge of the world outside of their own borders.
just remember,when labour took over, they inherited the mess the tories left behind which included massive debts & no structure whatsoever.
you're right there nevets on both points, think if it was put the vote tomorrow, we be out of europe like a shot.
as for the americans, don't they do that everywhere they go? they have little knowledge of the world outside of their own borders.
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thats the spirit mil-dos.
i agree with you, it is a pity that nations aren't led by people who have lived & experienced the ups & downs of real life.
i agree with you, it is a pity that nations aren't led by people who have lived & experienced the ups & downs of real life.
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May you be in heaven half an hour before the devil know`s you`re dead!
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Yeah, if all goes sour with Cherie then the tribal life and a harem beckons!
