Hua Hin railway crossings

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That would be their business - we don't have the right to tell people what level of risk they should take in their lives
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TicTac wrote:That would be their business - we don't have the right to tell people what level of risk they should take in their lives
That may be true - but - we DO have the right and indeed the responsibility to
1) try and avoid giving the driver of the train the extreme trauma of killing whole families in cars, on motorcycles, push bikes or whatever - that have stupidly tried to cross in front of the train.
2) try and prevent the devastating effect that this has on families and relatives.

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Have you ever seen the carnage, severed bodies, blood and guts that are the result off these accidents?
I have - many times and it's not pretty.
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Point taken Terry regarding the effects on the driver and victim's family. I just dispise the saftey-first attitude that some seem to be pressing - its why I escaped the Nanny state in Australia
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TicTac wrote:That would be their business - we don't have the right to tell people what level of risk they should take in their lives
It depends if they're driving my taxi at the time!
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TicTac wrote:Point taken Terry regarding the effects on the driver and victim's family. I just dispise the saftey-first attitude that some seem to be pressing - its why I escaped the Nanny state in Australia
I agree that e.g still wearing hard hats in completed buildings etc, is very much a Nanny State concept - that's one of the reasons why I left the UK............ 8)
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TicTac wrote::tsk:
Why are foreigners so concerned with other peoples' saftey.
Something to do with humanity and an attitude of compassion towards the fellow man, I guess?..
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I know its a bit different but on some A roads in England it has a sign with the number of crashes in the last 12 months etc.
Does anyone know when the last fatality occurred on that part of the railway?
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Pleng wrote:
TicTac wrote::tsk:
Why are foreigners so concerned with other peoples' saftey.
Something to do with humanity and an attitude of compassion towards the fellow man, I guess?..
And a very good guess at that! (in response to an ill thought through question)
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Bristolian wrote:
Pleng wrote:
TicTac wrote::tsk:
Why are foreigners so concerned with other peoples' saftey.
Something to do with humanity and an attitude of compassion towards the fellow man, I guess?..
And a very good guess at that! (in response to an ill thought through question)
Well yes I suppose most of it is, though it has to be said it could be put across with fewer rolling eyes and wagging fingers, which sometimes give it a rather condescending "we know better" look (even if 'we' often do! :laugh: ).

TicTac is a relatively recent member and we don't know him/her very well yet, but I can't honestly believe he (for the sake of argument) is really suggesting we shouldn't give a toss about the lives of others.

I recall quite a few references on here to the 'survival of the fittest' when people were killed in similar circumstances, which weren't shot down in flames.
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^^ good point! I remember contributing my 10 Peneth.
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Pleng wrote:
TicTac wrote::tsk:
Why are foreigners so concerned with other peoples' saftey.
Something to do with humanity and an attitude of compassion towards the fellow man, I guess?..
Something to do with the arrogant thinking it is both right an proper that they, the liberal elite, take care of the hoi polloi because they were left to stewardship of their own lives, would make a mess of it?
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Terry wrote: 1) try and avoid giving the driver of the train the extreme trauma of killing whole families in cars, on motorcycles, push bikes or whatever - that have stupidly tried to cross in front of the train.
Employment on a line with at grade crossings is voluntary. Let the ones who don't want to deal with the trauma find other work. BTW, have you seen the history of such 'trauma'? It's highly correlated with union benefits giving paid leave to traumatized train drivers.
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Homer wrote: Something to do with the arrogant thinking it is both right an proper that they, the liberal elite, take care of the hoi polloi because they were left to stewardship of their own lives, would make a mess of it?
They might make a mess of the train as well, there have been quite a few cases of trains being derailed by hitting trucks on the line.
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Homer wrote:
Terry wrote: 1) try and avoid giving the driver of the train the extreme trauma of killing whole families in cars, on motorcycles, push bikes or whatever - that have stupidly tried to cross in front of the train.
Employment on a line with at grade crossings is voluntary. ..........SINCE WHEN? EVERY RAILWAY LINE IN THAILAND IS FESTOONED WITH LEVEL CROSSINGS. MAYBE THIS CHOICE IS GIVEN WHERE YOU COME FROM - IT'S NOT AN OPTION IN THAILAND.

Let the ones who don't want to deal with the trauma find other work.......HAVE YOU EVER MET A TRAIN DRIVER WHO HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS? - I HAVE, SEVERAL TIMES.

BTW, have you seen the history of such 'trauma'? It's highly correlated with union benefits giving paid leave to traumatized train drivers.................MAYBE SO, WHERE YOU COME FROM - BUT NOT HERE IN THAILAND
Homer - I work in the business of railway safety and it's easy to make throw away comments based on the standards that you are used to - outside of Thailand.

Knowing these standards, does not give us the right to ignore basic safety requirements here.
I'm not saying whether or not Thailand should care about it - as it's clear that in most cases it doesn't - money, greed and profit being the main aim.
But as long as I am depressingly involved in the business here, I will keep on trying to prevent these useless and unnecessary fatalities.

If I had my way I would dispense with all Level Crossings - unfortunately 'grade separation' - (Bridges, underpasses etc) is a very expensive alternative on the existing infrastructure here. That, coupled with extremely poor basic safety education of the general public, who will still cross the line at either 'official' or 'unofficial' crossings will ultimately see that this carnage continues.
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Terry wrote:
Homer wrote: 1) try and avoid giving the driver of the train the extreme trauma of killing whole families in cars, on motorcycles, push bikes or whatever - that have stupidly tried to cross in front of the train.
Employment on a line with at grade crossings is voluntary. ..........SINCE WHEN? EVERY RAILWAY LINE IN THAILAND IS FESTOONED WITH LEVEL CROSSINGS. MAYBE THIS CHOICE IS GIVEN WHERE YOU COME FROM - IT'S NOT AN OPTION IN THAILAND.

Let the ones who don't want to deal with the trauma find other work.......HAVE YOU EVER MET A TRAIN DRIVER WHO HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS? - I HAVE, SEVERAL TIMES.

BTW, have you seen the history of such 'trauma'? It's highly correlated with union benefits giving paid leave to traumatized train drivers.................MAYBE SO, WHERE YOU COME FROM - BUT NOT HERE IN THAILAND
>IT'S NOT AN OPTION IN THAILAND.
Of course it is. Don't be a train driver.

>HAVE YOU EVER MET A TRAIN DRIVER WHO HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS?
This has nothing to do with a person voluntarily taking or remaining in a job. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

>BUT NOT HERE IN THAILAND
Such threads on this forum usually start with a Thai rail incident and progress to the participant's beliefs on nanny states.
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