Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by HHTel » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:17 pm

We'll no doubt know the truth in due course. Personally, I can't imagine them being 'heavily sedated' as it would be nigh impossible to manoeuvre a lifeless body through those obstacles. I do accept that they may have been tranquilised.

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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by hhinner » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:18 pm

Well, now in the ongoing press conference (8.10pm 11th) it's been stated that the kids were conscious.

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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by Nereus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:22 pm

Considering the condition that the kid's were in I doubt very much if any strong sedative could have been used. The Australian Doctor works with sedatives every day, one of the reasons why he was in there. And as it was unknown at first how long it would take to get them out, how could he calculate just how much to give them and remain safe?
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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by Nereus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:26 pm

Don't know how true this is:
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The terrifying moment cave rescuers had to run for their lives

https://au.news.yahoo.com/revealed-resc ... 33008.html

Australian divers have revealed the drama surrounding the final stages of the tense rescue of 12 boys and their football coach trapped in a Thai cave.

The three Australian divers explained how a wall of water crashed through the cave just moments after the rescue was completed.

Fairfax Media reports more than 100 rescuers were forced to flee just moments after the final Thai Navy SEAL emerged from the Tham Luang cave, as a “tsunami-like” surge crashed through the cavern after the pump holding floodwaters back failed.

The divers also detailed how the boys were pulled from the cave. They were passed “hand to hand” between the rescuers to get them out.

“They must have passed through about 150 hands,” one of the divers said at a briefing in Chiang Rai in northern Thailand on Wednesday.

“As you can imagine it was pretty crowded in there.”

All were finally rescued on Tuesday, with the coach and the final four boys making the “arduous” four-kilometre journey out of the cave on Tuesday.

The Australian diver said at first his team were given the job of helping with supplies before joining others to pass the boys through tight, watery crevices in the caves.

All of the Australian divers declined to comment on speculation the boys were sedated so as not to panic as they were guided to the surface.

Six Australian Federal Police divers, together with Dr Richard Harris, a specialist in hyperbaric medicine, helped support the Thai Navy diving team rescue operation.

An Australian Defence Force spokesman said Dr Harris, who made key assessments of the 12 boys on Saturday to greenlight the rescue operation, would not be speaking to the media.
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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by Nereus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:37 pm

'Incredibly resilient': US diver explains tricky cave rescue

https://au.news.yahoo.com/incredibly-re ... 39316.html

The Thai boys saved from a flooded cave endured dives in zero visibility lasting up to half an hour and in places were put in a harness and high-lined across rocky caverns, said a leader of the US dive team that was part of the operation.

Derek Anderson, a 32-year-old rescue specialist with the US Air Force based in Japan, said the dozen boys, ranging in age from 11 to 16, and their coach, who were trapped for more than two weeks, were “incredibly resilient.”
“What was really important was the coach and the boys all came together and discussed staying strong, having the will to live, having the will to survive,” Anderson said.

The complicated operation to bring the boys out of the cave began on Sunday, when four were extracted.
Four more were brought out on Monday, and the operation ended Tuesday with the rescue of the last four boys and their 25-year-old coach.

The group had entered the sprawling Tham Luang cave in northern Thailand to go exploring after soccer practice on June 23, but monsoon rains filled the tight passageways, blocking their escape, and pushing them deeper inside in search of a refuge.

“The cave was dry when we arrived, and within an hour and half it had already filled up by two to three feet and we were being pushed out,” said Anderson.

“That was just in the very beginning of the cave and at that point we realised this problem is going to be much more complex than we thought,” he said.

Falling oxygen levels, risk of sickness and the imminent prospect of more rain flooding the cave complex for months meant “the long-term survivability of the boys in the cave was becoming a less and less feasible option,” Anderson said.

Divers practiced their rescue techniques in a swimming pool with local children about the same height and weight as the members of the soccer team trapped in the cave.

The aim, Anderson said, was to make each of the boys “tightly packaged” so divers could keep control of them and adjust their air supply as needed.

The process lasted hours for each boy, and involved them getting through long passageways barely bigger than an adult body.

There were about a hundred people inside the cave for each rescue operation, Anderson said, and each boy was handled by dozens of people as their perilous movement through a total of nine chambers unfolded.

In some phases they were guided by two divers. In some narrow passages they were connected to only one diver.
In caverns with air pockets they were “floated” through with the support of four rescuers.

“The world just needs to know that what was accomplished was a once in a lifetime rescue that I think has never been done before,” Anderson said.
“If you lose your cool in an environment like that, there is a lot of bad repercussions,” he said.
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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by Nereus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:55 pm

First pictures emerge of Thai teens rescued from flooded cave

https://au.news.yahoo.com/first-picture ... 08630.html

The first pictures and video have been released from the Chiang Rai hospital where 12 boys and their coach are being treated after being rescued from a flooded cave system on Tuesday.
The boys can be seen wearing face masks and hospital gowns, sitting upright and alert – one even gives the V for Victory sign to the camera.

The pictures have been released as new details emerge of the complex operation to save the boys from the flooded cave in Chiang Rai in northern Thailand.
Hospital footage of the children was released during a press conference held by the rescue chief, acting Chiang Rai Governor Narongsak Osottanakorn, who has praised the children as “heroes.”
But their relieved parents and families will need to wait a little longer before they can wrap their arms around their sons.

They are malnourished and weak, and doctors are worried that they could be susceptible to germs spread by family members or other visitors, Dr. W. Ian Lipkin, a Columbia University infectious diseases expert, says.

But it is also possible they are an infection risks to others.
Thai doctors have said they did not know what type of unusual illnesses the boys may have picked up in the cave.

If medical tests show no dangers after another two days, parents will be able to enter the isolation area dressed in sterilised clothing, staying two metres away from the boys, another public health official, Tosthep Bunthong, said.
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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by HHTel » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:10 am

Nereus wrote:
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Considering the condition that the kid's were in I doubt very much if any strong sedative could have been used. The Australian Doctor works with sedatives every day, one of the reasons why he was in there. And as it was unknown at first how long it would take to get them out, how could he calculate just how much to give them and remain safe?
Interesting video which seems to show that the boys were barely conscious during the rescue:


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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by Takiap » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:14 am

If a sedative was used, then it was used for good reason, based on a professional and calculated decision by those who are more qualified than we are to make such decisions.
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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by Henry 14th » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:19 am

Takiap wrote:If a sedative was used, then it was used for good reason, based on a professional and calculated decision by those who are more qualified than we are to make such decisions.
Totally agree, from how the rescue route was described and the dangers it entailed, and considering all 13 are now sat in hospital, it seems like the right move has been made.

It goes someway to explaining the important assessment of health carried out after the first and more difficult stage had been passed. Perhaps ‘Chamber 3’ was used to revive the kids before they made the less challenging journey out.

Either way, assuming all make it home without any further health issues, the experts in charge of the rescue made the right choices and saved the lives of 13 that were only perhaps days away from death.


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Post by Nereus » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:12 am

Boys 'tranquilised' for trip out of cave: Rescue diver

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/genera ... r#cxrecs_s

CHIANG RAI: The boys rescued from the cave this week were given a "minor tranquiliser" and passed on stretchers through the treacherous pathways, a former Thai Navy Seal who was the last diver to leave the Tham Luang complex said Wednesday.


The details of the complex operation are among the first to emerge from a rescue effort to save 12 boys and their football coach that has been shrouded in secrecy since it began on Sunday and ended successfully three days later.

"Some of them were asleep, some of them were wiggling their fingers... (as if) groggy, but they were breathing," Commander Chaiyananta Peeranarong said, adding that doctors stationed along the dark corridors of the Tham Luang cave were constantly checking their condition and pulse.

"My job was to transfer them along," he said, adding the "boys were wrapped up in stretchers already when they were being transferred".
Thailand's junta chief told reporters on Tuesday that the group had been given a "minor tranquiliser" to help calm their nerves.
But he denied they were knocked out for the miraculous rescue.

The lack of information about the meticulously planned rescue had baffled observers given that the team were extracted safely.

The members of the "Wild Boars" team, aged 11-16, had no experience in scuba diving, and the death of an ex-Navy Seal who had helped install oxygen tanks in preparation for the rescue underscored the dangers of the mission.

Thailand said it had called on 13 "world class" divers to help with the unprecedented job, one of whom was Australian Richard "Harry" Harris, a diver and professional anaesthetist.

Rescue chief Narongsak Osottanakorn told reporters on Wednesday that the entire operation would not have been possible without the unique skills that Harris brought to the mission, though he did not elaborate.
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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by MDMK » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:19 pm

Can anyone explain what the Thai thinking could be behind the reluctance to admit the boys were sedated for the trip out? I really don't get it. If one or more had died then I would understand the reluctance somewhat... but heck they are all out and doing so much better than anyone could have hoped for. So why the outright denial of sedation in the beginning and now finally an admission of mild sedation. When anyone with eyes can see it was something more than a single diazepam.

I am not knocking it...proof of the pudding is in the eating. All out. All alive and well. I just dont get why the Thai authorities are playing it down to such an extent.

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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

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Can't wait for the movie...
...soon to be in a theater near you!

"Thailand cave movie: Hollywood producers already on the scene"

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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by hhfarang » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:13 am

Sad for this hero...

"Thai cave rescue: Hero Australian doctor emerges from flooded tunnels to find out father died"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thai-cave-re ... 00972.html

...and more about the movie...

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pro ... 22201.html
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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by hhfarang » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:16 am

"Thai cave miracle: Hero refugee boy, 14, who speaks five languages helped co-ordinate dramatic rescue

The Thai boys cave rescue is a story of many heroes – including one of the boys himself, who helped co-ordinate the rescue by communicating with British divers.

Myanmar refugee Adul Sam-on, is able to speak five languages – including English – and was able to translate instructions between the divers, the group of young boys and their football coach. ..."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thai-cave-mi ... 25457.html
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Re: Thai officials believe 12 boys missing in cave are alive

Post by hhinner » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:52 am

As good as it is that one of the boys is able to speak English is it really the case that none of the Thais in there could interpret?

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