Thailand's dark side: why you really shouldn't visit Koh Tao

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Re: Thailand's dark side: why you really shouldn't visit Koh Tao

Post by europtimiste » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:10 pm

Ridiculous statistics: must count natural death of elderly expats, suicides, accidents and violent death due to murder or fights separately.

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Post by HHTel » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:20 pm

StevePIraq wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:05 pm
Because the FCO does not report that way
But that takes away the truth of the stats. You could say there were 5 deaths in Vatican City which would seem almost irrelevant but in fact it would make it a dangerous place.

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Post by Thistle » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:08 pm

and before we all get ushered back on topic;
Europtimiste,173 in switzerland,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all cable car deaths,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or all cases solved by the local Gnomes?
Look forward to your insight as always!!!!

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Post by europtimiste » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:43 pm

Thistle wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:08 pm
and before we all get ushered back on topic;
Europtimiste,173 in switzerland,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all cable car deaths,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or all cases solved by the local Gnomes?
Look forward to your insight as always!!!!
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Re: Thailand's dark side: why you really shouldn't visit Koh Tao

Post by caller » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:09 pm

europtimiste wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:07 pm
A German ? I only heard about a Russian woman who disappeared and a French woman they found dead in the jungle.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... h-12883192

I appreciate it's difficult to keep track. Then there was the Frenchman who was found hanged with his hands tied behind his back - that was declared a suicide.

Edit - there's a list of some of the dead at the end of the article.
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Re: Thailand's dark side: why you really shouldn't visit Koh Tao

Post by T.O.M. » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:18 pm

HHTel wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:31 pm
Brits make up the biggest group to visit the island. However, deaths include Belgian, German, Russian and French as well as Brits.
Incidentally, 6 in every 100,000 British visitors to Thailand die as opposed to 4 in every million who visit Spain!
6 in every 100,000 British visitors to Thailand die

Love to play with numbers....Since the average British tourist only stays about 20 days, the 6 should be multiplied with around 18 (to make it a full year) = 108 per 100.000/year.....Which equals a death rate of 1.08 (death rate are deaths per 1000 population)
The official death rate in the UK 2016 was 9.1 (to my surprise above the world average)
So based only on statistics it is about 9 times more dangerous to stay in the UK, than it is to travel to Thailand...Koh Tao included.... :roll: :roll:

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Post by Big Boy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:31 pm

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Re: Thailand's dark side: why you really shouldn't visit Koh Tao

Post by europtimiste » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:38 pm

caller wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:09 pm
europtimiste wrote:
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Then there was the Frenchman who was found hanged with his hands tied behind his back - that was declared a suicide.

I remember having read about suicide by hanging with hands tied behind back is possible.

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europtimiste wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:43 pm

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Re: Thailand's dark side: why you really shouldn't visit Koh Tao

Post by T.O.M. » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:44 pm

HHTel wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:31 pm
Brits make up the biggest group to visit the island. However, deaths include Belgian, German, Russian and French as well as Brits.
Incidentally, 6 in every 100,000 British visitors to Thailand die as opposed to 4 in every million who visit Spain!
Nonsense...!!
Since 856 Brits died in Spain and since only 4 in every million visiting Spain dies.....Then 216 million Brits must have visited Espana..... :shock:

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Post by Big Boy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:48 pm

Lies, damned lies and statistics. I'm fast coming to the conclusion that Koh Tao must be the safest place in the world to visit :?
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Post by dtaai-maai » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:24 pm

Nonsense...!!
That describes most of this thread.
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Re: Thailand's dark side: why you really shouldn't visit Koh Tao

Post by T.O.M. » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:30 pm

HHTel wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:31 pm
Brits make up the biggest group to visit the island. However, deaths include Belgian, German, Russian and French as well as Brits.
Incidentally, 6 in every 100,000 British visitors to Thailand die as opposed to 4 in every million who visit Spain!
Not having a go at you....but where are you getting your numbers from? The dartboard ?
According to the list posted by StevePIrag from the FCO 362 Brits died in Thailand...And since almost exactly 1 million Brits visit Thailand yearly...then of course the correct number per 100.000 is 36 and NOT 6....!!

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Post by Dannie Boy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:59 pm

Not sure if this covers all recent murders, but this was listed in the Sun today.

Nick Pearson, 25, was found floating in an island bay, at the foot of a 50ft drop on New Year’s Day 2014.Despite claims of a fall, he had no broken bones. While police ruled out foul play, Nick's family, who say officers did not investigate a single witness, believe he was murdered.

Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Norfolk and David Miller, 24, of Jersey were bludgeoned to death with a wooden hoe as they walked back to their hotel room late at night.Hannah was also raped in the attack in September 2014.

Frenchman Dimitri Povse, 29, was found hanged in a bungalow on the island on New Year's Day 2015.His death was ruled as suicide but police could not explain why his hands were tied behind his back.

Later that month, graduate Christina Annesley, 23, was said to have died of natural causes after mixing antibiotics she was taking for a chest infection with alcohol. However, no toxicology report was conducted.

In March 2015 Russian tourist Valentina Novozhyonova, 23, vanished from her hostel on Koh Tao in mid-February - sparking a police search.She had checked into the hostel on February 11 and was due to check out on February 16 – but failed to do so.A few days later, staff checked her room to discover her mobile phone, passport and camera had all been left behind.

Bricklayer Luke Miller was found at the bottom of a swimming pool at the Sunset Bar at Sairee Beach in January 2016.His family accused the Thai police of a cover-up.
Belgian backpacker Elise Dallemagne, 30, was found hanged in the hills on the island on April 28, 2017.

German Bernd Grotsch, 47, was found dead at his home deep in the jungle in the Mae Haad part of Koh Tao.

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Re: Thailand's dark side: why you really shouldn't visit Koh Tao

Post by HHTel » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:08 pm

Not having a go at you....but where are you getting your numbers from? The dartboard ?
According to the list posted by StevePIrag from the FCO 362 Brits died in Thailand...And since almost exactly 1 million Brits visit Thailand yearly...then of course the correct number per 100.000 is 36 and NOT 6....!!
Similarly, Thailand's 25 deaths mean a death rate of around six young people per 100,000 when compared to the 411,000 Brits who usually go each year.
On the other hand, Spain drops down the danger table once its much bigger visitor numbers - nearly 13 million - are taken into account.
With less than four young people dead per million Brits arriving in the country annually, the country actually seems to be one of the safer places to holiday.
Apologies for a 'Sun' source which I'm sure people will be quick to respond that it can't be believed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5908851/m ... and-spain/

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