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Sportsmanship.

Post by Thistle » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:46 pm

I find this photograph totally unbelievable,how another competitor in a marathon race can merrily continue whilst a colleague lies on the floor obviously in trouble,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is it just me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or does winning mean so much nowadays,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and yes,perhaps i am being biased because its a Scot,but nevertheless.
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Post by Blacky » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:20 pm

Well the two to the left don't seemed to bothered either and for some winning is everything... Depending on the position of Shelley (and I would guess not to shabby with the camera bike right behind) winning the London Marathon is something to write home about. Having said that, even coming in in the TOP 100 is something to write home about....

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Post by bsdk1960 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:59 pm

heres the story,quite amazing anyway.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/commonwealth-games/43772265

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Post by lindosfan1 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:07 am

The problem is the time it took a first aid team to get to him. It is not the responsibility of another runner to stop and help. It is a race and the best man wins, he collapsed because he did not pace the race correctly.
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Post by 404cameljockey » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:27 am

Money walks in one door (prize money, or having sponsors to please), sportsmanship walks out of the other. Golf, cricket, don''t even talk about football. I don't know about this case, the Scot anyway apparently refused aid at some point because he wanted to finish the race. I guess another 'professional' might expect that and run on, there are supposed to be medical staff to quickly respond.

PS - Blacky, this was in The Gold Coast, not London. :)

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Post by Blacky » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:13 am

404cameljockey wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:27 am
Money walks in one door (prize money, or having sponsors to please), sportsmanship walks out of the other. Golf, cricket, don''t even talk about football. I don't know about this case, the Scot anyway apparently refused aid at some point because he wanted to finish the race. I guess another 'professional' might expect that and run on, there are supposed to be medical staff to quickly respond.

PS - Blacky, this was in The Gold Coast, not London. :)
Thanks for the correction :oops: , Marathons are truly not my field of expertise :roll:

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Post by 404cameljockey » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:29 pm

Blacky wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:13 am
404cameljockey wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:27 am
Money walks in one door (prize money, or having sponsors to please), sportsmanship walks out of the other. Golf, cricket, don''t even talk about football. I don't know about this case, the Scot anyway apparently refused aid at some point because he wanted to finish the race. I guess another 'professional' might expect that and run on, there are supposed to be medical staff to quickly respond.

PS - Blacky, this was in The Gold Coast, not London. :)
Thanks for the correction :oops: , Marathons are truly not my field of expertise :roll:

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Post by Thistle » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:02 pm

lindosfan1,i agree its a race,and yes to an extent the best man wins,as for not pacing the event properly,he is a professional marathon runner,and i assume the conditions affected his game plan obviously.
I still will stick with my initial comment,the Aussie you see in the photo won last years competition in Scotland not as if this was going to be a new record time,or someone who has never won an event before .He was quite a time behind the guy before he faltered,yes thats life,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but i still believe to continue as he did,and then read his post winning comments,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i do not believe that is sportsmanship.

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Post by MDMK » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:02 pm

I saw footage of this on BBC Breakfast this morning, what I found shocking was not that the other runner didn't stop to help, I was astounded that there were about 8 members of the public just standing there looking at him, not even attempting to help the fallen runner.

I don't blame the other runner at all for not stopping, I am sure he would have assumed that the proper medical help would be there in seconds, so what would be the point of him jeopardizing his race when better help than his SHOULD only have been seconds away.

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Post by Thistle » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:52 pm

This is where i can not grasp the attitude of opinions in sport,,,,,,,,we are chatting about the Commonwealth Games,of course as any other sporting event a medal is available,,,,,but a fellow competitor is lying on the ground obviously distressed,,,,,i honestly do not believe it would have happened 40 years ago,there a figure an era,,,,,another runner,competitor would have just gone by without some showing compassion to some degree!!
MDMK says,jeopardizing his race,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that is what i find very very strange,,,,,,does winning mean that much?

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Post by RCer » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:41 pm

It's called BIG money. Even in amateur sports, huge amounts of money are given to winners. Just not as "salary" rather sponsorships for events. Clothing, housing, etc.

It all started when professionals were allowed in the Olympics.

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Post by MDMK » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:49 am

Thistle wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:52 pm
This is where i can not grasp the attitude of opinions in sport,,,,,,,,we are chatting about the Commonwealth Games,of course as any other sporting event a medal is available,,,,,but a fellow competitor is lying on the ground obviously distressed,,,,,i honestly do not believe it would have happened 40 years ago,there a figure an era,,,,,another runner,competitor would have just gone by without some showing compassion to some degree!!
MDMK says,jeopardizing his race,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that is what i find very very strange,,,,,,does winning mean that much?
if I had worked my socks off for years (a lifetime?) with all the sacrifices that entails .... why would I stop when the medics should be there in seconds? Even if that guy had stopped for 5 seconds it could have cost him the race. Plus there is nothing he could have done that the medics couldn't have done far better. There was a group of people behind the barrier right where the guy fell, they didn't assist, and all the were doing was watching the race. I find their not helping a heck of a lot worse than the other runner not helping.

I think it's easy from our armchairs to be all "oh I would put helping above winning a medal/getting a personal best", I don't think it would be as easy if you had (not you in particular, any body) had trained day in day out for 15 years.

And maybe you are right about 40 years ago.... but the amount of training athletes put in has no doubt increased a lot as well. People who qualified for olympic and commonwealth games decades ago, wouldn't have a look in now. It's a LOT more serious now.

I haven't liked snooker since the whirlwindWhites and the hurricaneHiggins (who I assume learned their trade on pay per hour club tables) got taken over by the more ??????? schooled-technical players like Steve Davis (back in the day) who kinda took the fun out of it and made it all look like something you had practiced 147 times.

Maybe we need a time machine back to the 70s :-)

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Post by handdrummer » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:14 am

Everything evolves, even sports. Money is the game changer. When you make your living doing something you have to improve or someone comes along, they do anyway, and takes your living from you. Some are fortunate enough to carve out a niche and can keep competing, maybe not at the same level as before, but well enough to pay the rent. "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen." If you want to remain an amateur that's a different story. Competition is less and the rewards are not monetary. I'd hate to go back in time. I'd be disappointed that things weren't as I imagined them. The memory of what never was, is called the "good old days."

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Post by MDMK » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:45 pm

handdrummer wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:14 am
I'd hate to go back in time. I'd be disappointed that things weren't as I imagined them. The memory of what never was, is called the "good old days."
totally agree, plus we all have a bit of a habit of reminiscing positively about the nice/better things in the past while blocking out or forgetting the shit things. BBC did a comedy drama set in the 70s called "Life on Mars" and that brought back lovely childhood memories for me, great music, dodgy fashion... but I had forgotten how utterly racist and totally sexist the 70s were.

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Post by arcadianagain » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:07 pm

Thistle wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:52 pm
This is where i can not grasp the attitude of opinions in sport,,,,,,,,we are chatting about the Commonwealth Games,of course as any other sporting event a medal is available,,,,,but a fellow competitor is lying on the ground obviously distressed,,,,,i honestly do not believe it would have happened 40 years ago,there a figure an era,,,,,another runner,competitor would have just gone by without some showing compassion to some degree!!
MDMK says,jeopardizing his race,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that is what i find very very strange,,,,,,does winning mean that much?
Have you ever seen the film of Jim Peters some years ago, I believe it was the Empire Games, who collapsed in a similar fashion. He was helped by spectators, but then there were no high barriers to keep spectators at bay.

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