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I am an avid news reader/watcher, which will probably result in my demise from frustration, exhaustion and info overload. Regardless, the pattern I've seen over the past year with both internet news and TV news has the BBC pulling away from CNN in terms of content, quality and simply the enjoyability to read/watch.

Two years ago I would say it was the opposite, and at the time BBC had one foot in the grave. Kudos to whoever or whatever has changed their style.

I don't know what has happened to CNN, perhaps going too much toward Generation ?? people but they've lost substance IMO which has been replaced by frilly nonsense. The exception may be breaking news coverage and weather, the BBC weather presentation is abysmal :laugh: CNN TV business is also good with Richard Quest who is an ex-BBC guy. They shouldn't have let him get away.

Anyway just my 2 satang concerning these two and not Fox, Al-J or any other. Pete :cheers:
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All U.S. news channels have lost the substance/plot... they no longer report the news, they just make it up as suits their ideology.
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hhfarang wrote:All U.S. news channels have lost the substance/plot... they no longer report the news, they just make it up as suits their ideology.
Quite right. They no longer report the news. They believe they make the news. - See Fox News, :shock: et al.
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I think the beeb, when it sticks to simply reporting the news, is excellent. Where I have issues with it is in the preachy / educationalist tone it sometimes takes. And in the UK, there's little doubt it has a political bias which has in the past affected it's reporting and what it get's all preachy / educationalist about.

I know little of CNN, sorry.
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In addition, there's also a new BBCThai Facebook site that started this week. Not only Thailand news but worldwide. The wife really likes it and she's started asking questions about world events that she's never asked before. Positive step IMO. Pete

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prcscct wrote:I don't know what has happened to CNN, perhaps going too much toward Generation ?? people but they've lost substance IMO which has been replaced by frilly nonsense.
CNN pursued a failed strategy, resulting in ratings so bad they should have turned off the lights and quit. But they didn't, because in the US television world CNN = Breaking News. Time Warner will keep CNN on as a money loser for the same reason Japanese manufacturers of medical and scientific imaging instruments keep their money losing camera division: it gives them prestige. The 'frilly nonsense' is their attempt to garner viewers by doing something different than the other cable news networks.

Their failed strategy had 3 major faults. First, they thought they were the political center. Nope, they're the democrat center. Second is they thought the CNN brand image would be forever wounded if they went the ranting / raving / yelling route of MSNBC. Probably true, but we'll never know. Finally, they were blind to people preferring news from the internet on their own schedule over news from a trusted source for which they had to wait.

Many have suggested how CNN could revitalize itself, giving it a chance to return to it's spot as the premier cable news network: Become the network of the political center. Fire all the Marxists. Fire all the people who's primary education was by union members who were neither tested for competency our could be fired for lack of it. Scour stories, rooting out assumptions. Use words based on what they meant before they were politicized, don't use words that have their meanings twisted into new purposes for political gain. For example, "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
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Homer i disagree that one of the reasons CNN is in a downward, death spiral has anything to do with their liberal viewpoint. Simply put, they have lost all credibility and are now considered as low, if not lower, than FOX news which, is actually funny to watch at times. I admit the only FOX comments I watch are spoofed on the Daily Show, but the comments that spew from their mouths are so ludicrous, any sane person has to laugh. :mrgreen:
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I carry 10 automatically updating top news stories on my Yahoo homepage from both CNN and BBC. BBC has been carrying story and photos of the plane shoot down in the Ukraine since around 0130 hours. It's now 0600 and I still don't see anything listed on CNN.

TV CNN this morning has heavy coverage of the Israel-Gaza fighting with breakaways to the plane incident, and the BBC has Israel/Gaza also but focusing much more heavily on the plane crash.
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LaughTilIDie wrote:Homer i disagree that one of the reasons CNN is in a downward, death spiral has anything to do with their liberal viewpoint. Simply put, they have lost all credibility ...
I agree CNN has no credibility now, especially after their nonstop 'we're nonstop but have nothing to say' coverage of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370. But when did they lose it? The journalism pundits I read all say CNN had a long slow slide into basement ratings because the competition was more attractive, not that CNN had lost credibility.
LaughTilIDie wrote:... and are now considered as low, if not lower, than FOX news which, is actually funny to watch at times. I admit the only FOX comments I watch are spoofed on the Daily Show, but the comments that spew from their mouths are so ludicrous, any sane person has to laugh. :mrgreen:
Obligatory statement that everyone knows the rise of conservative media in the US ended the left's generations long lock on the house and senate, so OF COURSE lefties have to criticize it at every turn. They're either in denial or know they're preaching to the choir. Usually the combined ratings of the other cable news networks are less than Fox. At times Fox beats the combined ratings of the 2nd and 3rd major broadcast networks. But keep on tilting at windmills, it's amusing.

What's much more amusing when some leftie goes off on Fox in person, is to ask them questions. Who's their nightly news anchor? What color is his hair? What's the name of the show? Any of these is followed by a moment of panic, then fumbling, then hate spew about <insert name of opinion show host >. I've yet to meet a leftward who acknowledged that Fox News has both news and opinion shows. It's almost as if doing so would remove their reasons for denigrating Fox.
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:agree: Those people probably get their "news" from The Huffington Post online...
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They sure don't get it from sources that tell the truth. I'll bet they aren't aware, for example, the oministration posted a high level job opening to deal with the border influx of latin american children which hadn't yet begun.

What the right needs is a phrase describing the truth starved left partisan news that intentionally puts their audience in the political equivalent of 'barefoot and pregnant' .

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prcscct wrote:TV CNN this morning has heavy coverage of the Israel-Gaza fighting with breakaways to the plane incident, and the BBC has Israel/Gaza also but focusing much more heavily on the plane crash.
Between the crash and Gaza, US TV news network shows last Thursday night hit their highest ratings in months. In prime time, Fox News averaged 3 million viewers. CNN did well - for CNN - at 1.2 million.

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Sadly most news reporting seems to be a means whereby the media moguls can attempt to shape public opinion. The BBC should be an exception but their left wing bias has badly affected their credibility .

I feel in fact there is very little news and probably three 20 minute programmes a day would do it. What is sadly lacking is discussion of the news events for example there are two sides to the events going on in Ukraine where is the public debate? Or is this a reflection that the news providers feel that we, the public have a limited attention span.
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/\.....Don't know where you are watching from but there are plenty of open debates on the BBC World News especially on weekends.

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Hard Talk ...are amongst the ones I can bring to mind.
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There's also "Dateline London" which often is not about London. Last night it was a collection of journalists, one from Russia, talking about the MH plane shoot down.
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