2/cb wrote: ↑Thu May 29, 2025 11:04 pm
One of the worst characteristics of battery cars is that their battery packs, often weighing 500kg, are rarely recycled. They end up in a third-world landfill.
That’s because very few have had to be scrapped, but as more EV batteries need scraping, more companies will come online to scrap them and extract recyclable materials from them. Why, because there’s money to be made.
I did see a video a few months ago a brand new factory set up to do exactly that and no doubt the big EV manufacturers will set up their own recycling facilities. I suspect you can find a video of the facility on YouTube if you were to look.
As to batteries “ending up in a third world landfill, that’s very unlikely.
First of all, most are still useful for home electric storage
and secondly, it’s not going to do any EV manufacturer any good to be caught dumping old batteries in somewhere like India, only to find them filmed by an environmental documentary and them showing it world wide.
I've lost my mind and I am making no effort to find it.
2/cb wrote: ↑Thu May 29, 2025 11:04 pm
One of the worst characteristics of battery cars is that their battery packs, often weighing 500kg, are rarely recycled. They end up in a third-world landfill.
Running out of things to complain about
Ours will be added to the solar system, in maybe 20 years or so, if the rest of the car can't keep up. By then they'll have a plug & play adapter, or some other repurposing of the packs. The rest of the car will follow the same as ICEV, used parts and scrape metal. Unlike ICEV, the motors will probably continue on in some function, or another vehicle.
There's one guy here in Thailand that adds them to solar systems. That's a lot of energy storage that people are not going to let go to waste. Ours is 50kWh, and the cheapest packs for solar systems I've seen is about 60k baht for 15kWh packs. At 50% resale, looking at almost 100k worth of ESS.
From what I’ve managed to find on the subject, there are some EV batteries that end up in landfill, but definitely not the majority. Some get repurposed to use as batteries and more and more, batteries are getting recycled - not necessarily because of concerns for the environment (although that is a partial driver), but because there’s money to be made from them and the recycling will only get greater rather than smaller, so hopefully and with good reason, the amount going to landfill should be very small.
This is an article from the UK and I don’t know how frequent these type of issues are, but you can understand why some people are reluctant to make the change to EV’s. https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/som ... c-10215685#
Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 9:53 pm
This is an article from the UK and I don’t know how frequent these type of issues are, but you can understand why some people are reluctant to make the change to EV’s. https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/som ... c-10215685#
I've been countrywide here in TH, and yet to encounter a Q to charge our BEV. More than enough CS (charging stations).
And 30 GBP = 1321 THB to top up ... YIKES
120 m = 193 kms
That would cost us about 195 THB here @ 7.5 / kWh
If drained, our 46.3kWh top up, would cost only 370 baht, and that would be 8 baht a kWh, and I don't think we ever paid that much.
Although I’m not familiar with charging an EV here in Thailand (I’ve only ever charged my PHEV’s at home), I assumed it wouldn’t be as bad as it (sometimes) is in the UK, although almost always it’s expensive there if you use a charging station!! But the bottom line is that in countries where it is an issue, stories like this are going to seriously affect EV take-up.
^I've said this before but it doesn't surprise me at all that the UK is coming at the rear of this transport revolution.
The quicker that countries without significant fossil fuel resources wean themselves off them, the richer they'll be. All the future growth is in renewables, electrification and eventually fusion power.
I said goodbye to my faithful 10 year old Mazda CX 5 and boughht a Deepal S07. so far i'm very happy with all aspects albeit its a bit slow to charge.
Also the maintenance manual is in Thai, i have asked the showroom to order me an English copy and hopefully one will arrive. My only problem has been registering with the charging stations. Passport, debit card detail , phone number etc are required to fill in the online apps.
dundrillin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:53 pm
I said goodbye to my faithful 10 year old Mazda CX 5 and boughht a Deepal S07. so far i'm very happy with all aspects albeit its a bit slow to charge.
Also the maintenance manual is in Thai, i have asked the showroom to order me an English copy and hopefully one will arrive. My only problem has been registering with the charging stations. Passport, debit card detail , phone number etc are required to fill in the online apps.
Did you look at any other EV’s or just go with what you liked?
Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:58 pm
Do you have a home wall charger that will operate at just over 6KW?
i'm getting one fitted on tuesday the hardware comes from Deepal and free but the installation is from another company and will cost 24,000 baht. I'm going to o the whole hog and get a hybrid solar system (10 kw)
dundrillin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:53 pm
I said goodbye to my faithful 10 year old Mazda CX 5 and boughht a Deepal S07. so far i'm very happy with all aspects albeit its a bit slow to charge.
Also the maintenance manual is in Thai, i have asked the showroom to order me an English copy and hopefully one will arrive. My only problem has been registering with the charging stations. Passport, debit card detail , phone number etc are required to fill in the online apps.
Did you look at any other EV’s or just go with what you liked?
i went to the Chinese motor show in Shanghai this year and was very impressed with many of the Chinese brands but not all are available in Thailand. As i'm not too technical i tend to go by the reviews and the appearance and it is stunning inside, very luxurious. It handles very well, spacious inside.
At the motor show Mercedes and especially BMW looked less interesting. One Chinese reporter said that when he compared BMW to the Chinese cars it reminded him of his Nokia! I've got a BMW 320 but i wont be getting another.
Had not heard of the Deepal S07, but it will apparently be available in the UK very shortly starting at +/- £40K (would be interesting to know how much different that is from Thai pricing). Certainly looks good obviously targeted at the "Tesla Model Y" market here. As mentioned, charging does seem a little slow (though I've no experience) - 35min to get from 30-80%.
It also appears that there's a smaller S05 version coming. It seems both models are "engineered in Britain, designed in Italy and built in China" - a new one for me!
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:58 pm
Do you have a home wall charger that will operate at just over 6KW?
i'm getting one fitted on tuesday the hardware comes from Deepal and free but the installation is from another company and will cost 24,000 baht. I'm going to o the whole hog and get a hybrid solar system (10 kw)
You’ll definitely notice the difference with the wall charger- it charges at least 3 times as fast as a wall socket and the solar system will be the icing on the cake!!
dundrillin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:53 pm
I said goodbye to my faithful 10 year old Mazda CX 5 and boughht a Deepal S07. so far i'm very happy with all aspects albeit its a bit slow to charge.
Also the maintenance manual is in Thai, i have asked the showroom to order me an English copy and hopefully one will arrive. My only problem has been registering with the charging stations. Passport, debit card detail , phone number etc are required to fill in the online apps.
Did you look at any other EV’s or just go with what you liked?
i went to the Chinese motor show in Shanghai this year and was very impressed with many of the Chinese brands but not all are available in Thailand. As i'm not too technical i tend to go by the reviews and the appearance and it is stunning inside, very luxurious. It handles very well, spacious inside.
At the motor show Mercedes and especially BMW looked less interesting. One Chinese reporter said that when he compared BMW to the Chinese cars it reminded him of his Nokia! I've got a BMW 320 but i wont be getting another.
I’ve not looked at the Deepal, but it looks fairly similar to BYD’s SeaLion 7 which I’ve seen in the flesh and that too is a very nicely finished car especially the dual motor version. I think they’re similarly priced so should provide good competition between the two and considerably cheaper than a BMW or Mercedes etc.
