Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[Dannie Boy]

You might be able to find an EV that would provide as much fun, but you’d have to add at least a nought to the amount you’d have to spend and probably a bit more. I guess that one day second hand EV’s will be available for 4 figures but not yet and I’m sure they won’t have the road holding of a 205GTi!!

[Dannie Boy]

Peugeot will soon be releasing details of their upcoming 208 GTi which promises a lot of fun but no doubt with a price of more than £30k, so not quite in Buksi’s price range of a couple of grand!!
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/peugeot/2 ... b7e55be8af

[STEVE G]

A new Chinese company is producing a lightweight two seater sports EV:

Xiaomi-backed startup officially launches $31,530 electric sports car
https://cnevpost.com/2025/04/27/sc01-el ... -launched/

[Dannie Boy]

Certainly looks interesting Steve and much lighter than most EV’s - will be interesting to see what the price is if/when it hits the European markets?

[STEVE G]

^It might not be that much more than this original 1993 205GTI:

[pharvey]

^ 2,000 km at 30+ years old?? An engine replacement (with what I wonder) may have only done 2K, but.....

That said, of course it's a "Classic" - I doubt you'll see many "EV Classics" in the future

[STEVE G]

^Porsche Unearths and Restores First Car Built by its Founder, the 1898 P1 EV

For today’s auto enthusiasts, the name P1 evokes the latest McLaren hypercar, but in 1898, P1 was the unofficial name of Ferdinand Porsche’s first design, the Egger-Lohner electric vehicle, C.2 Phaeton model. The car came to be known as the P1 after Porsche engraved this code (standing for Porsche, number 1) onto all of the EV’s key components.

https://www.carscoops.com/2014/01/porsc ... first-car/

[pharvey]

^Porsche Unearths and Restores First Car Built by its Founder, the 1898 P1 EV

For today’s auto enthusiasts, the name P1 evokes the latest McLaren hypercar, but in 1898, P1 was the unofficial name of Ferdinand Porsche’s first design, the Egger-Lohner electric vehicle, C.2 Phaeton model. The car came to be known as the P1 after Porsche engraved this code (standing for Porsche, number 1) onto all of the EV’s key components.

https://www.carscoops.com/2014/01/porsc ... first-car/

Ha ha, fair shout - you really are a member of the "EV Collective"!!

The current UK Government will screw the shite out of both EV and ICE production here and f*ck the country...... But, let's go to history then. Why did the major ICE production companies bin the whole EV initially? Just a simple question.

What pisses me off entirely is the lack of knowledge regarding the BS of "Green Energy". The biggest suppliers of EVs is China - what is the energy/water required to produce Aluminium (body), what is the damage to the environment in mining "Precious Metals" required? And where the feck do your Solar Panels come from (and what is the cost environmentally)? We could also include Plastics... You know, feck knows how much in a car (both ICE and EV) - China by the way produce 33% of the world's plastics (followed by a couple of Asian Countries), check it out.

I'm not against EVs as I've said many times, but they are certainly not good for the environment and in several countries cost prohibitive. The batteries on current models will not last - what will you do then after a major investment? I certainly haven't needed to change my engine in the Merc!

[STEVE G]

.... Why did the major ICE production companies bin the whole EV initially? Just a simple question.

The originals electric cars built in the early 20th century used lead acid batteries and it took the invention of more energy dense technology like lithium-ion in the 1990s to give them a practical range.

[pharvey]

.... Why did the major ICE production companies bin the whole EV initially? Just a simple question.

The originals electric cars built in the early 20th century used lead acid batteries and it took the invention of more energy dense technology like lithium-ion in the 1990s to give them a practical range.

And increasing danger to the environment....

[STEVE G]

^Running ICE vehicles at something like 25-30% efficiency is hardly a solution to 21st century transportation.
In the average petrol car you're spending more money to heat the radiator than you are to make the wheels go around.
I'm always surprised how many people are happy with the fact that 70 odd percent of all the petrol ever bought has done absolutely nothing useful whatsoever.
Actually, if you take into account losses in extraction, refining and delivery, the wastage is about 90%.

[pharvey]

^ Not exactly answering the question on the Environmental Status of EVs there Steve. And I'd love to know where your figures come from. I've worked in the Chemical, Petrochemical and Mining Industry for my entire working life. I've seen the damage caused and the extent of the damage to the environment through different practices and the countries that employ them (a subtle hint there).

I appreciate that you and others on the Forum are very pro EVs, and yes I have my doubts. I'm not against them, but it would be good for a little understanding of the real facts.

[STEVE G]

And I'd love to know where your figures come from

The inefficiency of ICE cars isn't controversial.

[Dannie Boy]

The pro EV lobby will always try to emphasise their green credentials post production, which is fair enough. How much they contribute towards overall pollution in order to get them out the factory gate varies according to the reports that you read, but virtually everything I’ve ever seen shows that over their lifetime EV’s produce significantly less emissions than ICE cars do and that’s based on current technology - as more and more electricity is generated by “greener” methods, less carbon will be used to generate electricity making the gap even greater. Even allowing for some inaccuracies and bias, it looks fairly compelling in favour of EV’s
https://about.bnef.com/blog/no-doubt-ab ... 20vehicles.

[2/cb]

One of the worst characteristics of battery cars is that their battery packs, often weighing 500kg, are rarely recycled. They end up in a third-world landfill.