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Re: Electric Cars

Post by loua_oz » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:39 pm

How foolish is the idea of banning petrol cars from the market.
The electric cars need to be charged.

Whatever time it takes, in France, where a good deal of energy comes from their nuclear power plants, it would mean 60% of whatever the O2 emission mean.
China , 120% of that.

In China, the largest car market, do the same, that energy would come from coal burning, 120% of electric car emission.

Skies over France or Germany won't be any clearer. Whatever EU aparatchiks agree to, is a plain stupidity.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by loua_oz » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:39 pm

How foolish is the idea of banning petrol cars from the market.
The electric cars need to be charged.

Whatever time it takes, in France, where a good deal of energy comes from their nuclear power plants, it would mean 60% of whatever the O2 emission mean.
China , 120% of that.

In China, the largest car market, do the same, that energy would come from coal burning, 120% of electric car emission.

Skies over France or Germany won't be any clearer. Whatever EU aparatchiks agree to, is a plain stupidity.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by STEVE G » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:54 pm

Not a car but this seemed a relevant thread, Honda are producing an electric PCX scooter from next year:

Honda PCX Electric and Hybrid: The most important bikes ever?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new- ... -electric/

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by pharvey » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:10 am

All I can say is OUCH! As much for the price as for the looks and incredible performance :shock: . Can't quibble about the range either!

https://www.tesla.com/roadster/?redirect=no

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Post by Nereus » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:27 am

Jaguar Land Rover to make only electric or hybrid cars from 2020

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -cars-2020

Carmaker follows Volvo in spelling an end for petrol or diesel-only cars, despite not making any electric vehicles at present.

Jaguar Land Rover has become the latest large carmaker to say it will stop launching new models solely powered by internal combustion engines, two months after Volvo pledged to do so.

The plan comes after the Scottish government said it would phase out the need for petrol and diesel cars by 2032, eight years earlier than the UK and French targets of banning sales of new cars with internal combustion engines.

Dr Ralf Speth, JLR’s chief executive, said: “Every new Jaguar Land Rover model line will be electrified from 2020, giving our customers even more choice.”
But Speth also warned of the unintended consequences of the electrification of cars and arrival of autonomous vehicles. The UK’s 250,000-plus lorry drivers are at risk from driverless technology, with knock-on effects for the UK’s social fabric, he said.

“In the UK, there are currently more than a quarter of a million lorry drivers. What happens to our society if these lose their jobs? Who pays for them? What happens to the social fabric of the country?”

Furthermore, electric cars’ impact on petrol and diesel demand could hurt oil-producing nations, Speth said. “Many could be forced to impose substantial spending cuts within the next five years, straining living standards and so creating unrest in areas already suffering from instability,” he added.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by oakdale160 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:28 pm

Electric cars and self-driving cars are both evolving at the same time but they are separate issues.

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Post by Nereus » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:34 am

Powering the EV surge

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/ne ... recent_box

Policymakers are working overtime to make motorists better environmentalists by expanding the market for electric vehicles

The government is keen on transforming Thailand into a global production hub for electric vehicles (EVs), offering measures to encourage local car factories to build this new generation of automobiles, but uncertainty persists about how to generate demand in the domestic market.

There are four EV platforms globally.

Hybrid electric vehicles (HEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) were first developed with two systems, electricity-petrol and electricity-diesel.

Battery electric vehicles (BEVs) were later developed -- fuelled purely by electricity -- with fuel-cell electric vehicles (FCVs) representing the latest EV technology.

In Thailand, HEVs came to market for the first time in 2009-10. Since then, there have been three HEV models locally assembled in the country: Toyota Camry, Honda Accord and Nissan X-Trail.

Mercedes-Benz used to assemble BlueTEC hybrid technology engines in Thailand in 2013 before upgrading to the PHEV platform in 2016. The German carmaker produces four EV models in total.

German peer BMW has had localised PHEV assembly in Thailand since 2016.
But the penetration of EV types is still limited, as users mainly comprise high-end motorists.

The Land Transport Department reports registration of all HEV and PHEV varieties totalling 102,308 cars. There were 1,394 BEV cars as of 2017.

Last year, new registrations for HEVs and PHEVs stood at 11,945 cars, up by 24.7%. BEVs saw 165 new registrations, compared with 161 a year earlier.

INSUFFICIENT TAKE-UP

Yossapong Laoonual, president of the Electric Vehicle Association of Thailand (EVAT), said that given the market size, the EV take-up rate in the country is insufficient.

But Mr Yossapong, an EV driver, said he has observed that the HEV and PHEV markets are expanding.
"Thanks to the two luxury carmakers being keen on PHEV models, new registrations in this segment have grown quickly," he said.

Mr Yossapong forecasts PHEVs to be a game-changer in creating demand for charging stations in metropolitan and urban areas.

Mr Yossapong said the Energy Conservation Fund under the Energy Policy and Planning Office (Eppo) has given 42.53 million baht to government agencies, state-owned enterprises and private firms to construct public charging stations for both normal and quick charges.

Eppo has completed four rounds of the financial sponsorship programme, allocating funds to build 94 stations as of 2017.

Of the 94 stations, 53 stations were given to private firms while government agencies received subsidies for 21 stations. The remaining 20 were assigned to state-owned enterprises.

Eppo's Energy Conservation Fund will launch the fifth round of the programme next month to disburse 20 million baht for the installation of an additional 31 public EV charging stations.

The fund subsidises 30% of total project finance for private investors.
Participating government agencies will receive 1.8 million baht for a quick-charging stations and 190,000 baht for standard ones.

State enterprises will receive a 1-million-baht subsidy.

The cost of installation is 300,000 baht for a normal charging station and 2.5 million baht for a quick-charging one.
"There were zero charging stations at the beginning of 2015, and today there are almost 200 stations in Bangkok," he said. "Private firms have developed and constructed 60% [of the charging stations], while the rest were subsidised by the government."

Mr Yossapong said Eppo expects 150 EV stations to be in operation by 2018 through the fund's support.

He said many PHEVs and BEVs are passing through public charging stations at large department stores in Bangkok, indicating that the number of EV motorists is increasing and the number of stations is rapidly becoming insufficient.

"I predict that the private sector will jump into expanding the number of charging outlets," he said. "Both charging operators and car assemblers will become trendsetters -- they will define what the EV market is going to look like in the future."

CALLS FOR MORE STIMULUS

Eppo director-general Twarath Sutabutr said the agency plans to propose more stimulus measures after witnessing more than a few EVs on the road.

Eppo will discuss tax privileges for buyers with the Eastern Economic Corridor (EEC) Policy Committee and the EVAT.
"The government has offered privileges for manufacturers to generate new investment, as well as expansion incentives for key infrastructure such as charging stations, but the privileges are insufficient to attract buyers," Mr Twarath said.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by oakdale160 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:49 pm

It will be interesting to see how things develop in Thai. In western countries, governments are very supportive and will bring pressures to bear to favour EV. Thai govts are less likely to bring pressure on Thai people to do a fearsome thing--MAKE A CHANGE!
Another thought EVs are very quiet, not much appeal in that for Thai people.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by STEVE G » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:35 pm

oakdale160 wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:49 pm
Another thought EVs are very quiet, not much appeal in that for Thai people.
An answer to that exists already, sound generators:
https://www.sound-booster.com/en/sets/e ... hicle.html

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Post by Bluesky » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:08 pm

Its quite amazing where the technology is going performance wise.

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By DAVID Z. MORRIS February 19, 2018
A Japanese Electric Car Just Destroyed Tesla's 0-60 Acceleration Record.

Japan-based boutique carmaker Aspark has accomplished what until recently seemed impossible: creating a street-legal electric car that goes from 0 to 60 miles an hour in barely over 1.9 seconds.

The car, called the Aspark Owl, destroys the acceleration of most of the world’s most expensive gas-powered street racers. The $3 million Bugatti Chiron has clocked 0-60 in a leisurely 2.3 seconds, while the Lamborghini Aventador does it in a positively glacial 2.7 seconds. By comparison, no less an authority than Top Gear describes the OWL’s performance as “ridiculous.”
The feat was captured in a video, recently highlighted by Jalopnik.
Of course, it might not be entirely fair to compare the Owl’s acceleration to high-end gas cars. Electric motors have inherently higher torque and better acceleration than gas engines at lower speeds, while gas cars can often hit 70 or 80 mph faster. A fairer comparison, then, might be to Tesla’s all-electric Model S, which last year became the fastest-accelerating production car in the world. Its billed 0-60 acceleration time is 2.5 seconds, though independent tests have seen times just under 2.3 seconds.

The Owl, then, could soon become the zippiest car you’ll ever pull up next to at a stoplight—but there are two caveats. First, according to Jalopnik, the recent run was made with a set of racing tires, many of which aren’t safe or legal for everyday driving. But Aspark is working towards hitting a sub-2-second 0-60 using street-legal tires.
The second condition is a bit bigger: the Owl will reportedly be priced at $4.4 million, and start with a limited production run of 50 vehicles. You could buy nearly 65 base Model S’s for that price, or about 22 of the upcoming $200,000 Tesla Roadster. That car isn’t coming until 2020, but Tesla is already promising that it can match the Owl, with a 0-60 time of 1.9 seconds.

http://fortune.com/2018/02/19/aspark-ow ... car-tesla/
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Post by Nereus » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:28 pm

Mercedes to supply EV batteries locally

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/ne ... es-locally

German luxury carmaker Mercedes-Benz is set to become the first company in Thailand to produce batteries locally for its electric vehicles (EV).

Scheduled for operation later this year, two local subsidiaries of Stuttgart-based Daimler AG -- Mercedes-Benz Manufacturing Thailand and Mercedes-Benz Thailand -- will hold a ceremony to lay the foundation stone for the new manufacturing plant for plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) batteries on March 14.

The new battery plant will be located at the existing vehicle assembly site in Samut Prakan.
Mercedes-Benz has a long relationship with Thonburi Automotive Assembly Plant (TAAP), running back to 1960. Both firms started to assemble Mercedes-Benz's commercial vehicles before making passenger cars in 1979.

A source who requested anonymity said the EV battery plant can serve 5,000 Thai-assembled Mercedes cars annually. Production capacity can easily be doubled should demand warrant.

The plant will make lithium-ion batteries, while TAAP finishes an array of models from Mercedes-Benz. Initially, demand will cater to PHEVs in the C, E, S and GLE line-ups.

In the longer run, the factory will also supply fully electric models and battery electric vehicles (BEVs) such as the GLC-sized sport utility vehicle, once previewed as the concept "Electric Intelligence" car back in 2016.

In mid-January, Michael Grewe, president and chief executive of Mercedes-Benz Thailand, announced that the company had applied for Board of Investment privileges for two platforms: PHEVs and BEVs. The application deadline for both is Dec 28 this year.

He did not give any further details, saying the company planned to launch new models under the government EV scheme this year.

In the Thai market, Mercedes-Benz started assembling HEVs, the first EV technology, in 2013, working with TAAP. The plant has a maximum capacity of 40,000 cars a year, working for three full shifts.

Mercedes-Benz started to build PHEVs in Thailand from early 2016, while its HEV platform has been phased out.
Mr Grewe said the company still assembles EVs for the domestic market only, with no plans for export.

Mercedes-Benz expects to benefit from the EV scheme through lower excise taxes and further incentives for local EV battery production instead of importing batteries from Germany.

AMG-powered models are likely to benefit, as Mercedes plans to pursue high-performance electric technologies.
"This is a battery plant that can cater to all kinds of EVs, be it pure electric or hybrid power," the source said.

To help create economies of scale, Mercedes recently started Thai assembly of the C43 Coupe using a non-electrified 367hp 3.0-litre six-cylinder engine. The car's price dropped by an additional 1 million to 4.14 million baht.

The next AMG product to join the C43 Coupe on the local assembly line is the GLC43 Coupe sharing the same motor. The GLC43 Coupe is priced at 5.79 million baht as an import from Germany.
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Post by Nereus » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:15 pm

Jaguar I-Pace revealed in production-ready form

https://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1 ... m#cxrecs_s

All-electric SUV comes with near-500km driving range and 400hp performance.

Has it changed much from the preceding concept car?

When Jaguar revealed the all-electric I-Pace in concept form last year, it said that the production-ready model – as seen here in official pictures – wouldn’t differ much.

While the shape remains basically the same as the show car, some of the concept car’s exaggerated dimensions – like the wide stance – have been toned down for the showroom.

Actually, Jaguar has become the first luxury car brand to chase for the success of the Tesla Model X ahead of the Audi e-tron and Mercedes-Benz EQ C.

BMW and Volvo are also planning to join the BEV (battery electric vehicle) race with all-electric SUVs by 2020.

The Jag’s specs seem familiar…

That’s because the specification has been mostly summed up last year at the concept car’s reveal.
The I-Pace has two electric motors, one driving the front axle and another the rear one to essentially make it four-wheel-drive.

The 90kWh lithium-ion battery pack is placed beneath the cabin floor designed on a dedicated platform for BEVs. Jaguar promises a good handling and ride balance in the brand’s usual fashion.

As its badge suggests, the I-Pace has 400hp and 696Nm of torque to help propel itself from 0-96kph in 4.5sec. The driving range is rated at 477km under Europe’s new WLTP test cycle.

With a rapid charging system, the I-Pace’s battery can be rejuvenated up to 80% in 85min; a 30min charge is claimed to be sufficient for 128km of driving.

Although not announced yet, expect different battery sizes to be offered in the future depending on what buyers prefer (more performance or more driving range).


Will it sell in Thailand?

As with other premium car brands in Thailand, the decision to sell a BEV would probably not be about making money at the moment for all the obvious reasons.

Sure, the Thai Jaguar importer could opt to sell the I-Pace for the kicks targeting customers who have several other cars parked in their garages. The current import tax in Thailand would make the I-Pace cost over 5 million baht.

It’s also interesting to note that the UK, for one, has measures in making BEVs not only attractive in price but also in usage terms. Some of them include lower road tax and reduced tolls – something never mentioned by the Thai government when promoting BEVs.
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by Nereus » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:00 pm

Porsche catches fire while charging

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/genera ... e-charging

A new Porsche Panamera caught fire while being charged and the blaze spread to partially destroy a house in Taling Chan district in Bangkok on Friday.

Police who responded to a call at the two-storey house on a 200-square-wah plot on Boromratchonnanee Soi 55 found the fire spreading to a sitting room. It took firefighters 30 minutes to bring the blaze under control, Thai media reported on Friday.

The high-end hybrid-electric car and the entire sitting room equipped with a home-theatre system were destroyed. The damage to the house was estimated at 6 million baht.

Police found the car's charging cable plugged into an electrical outlet in the sitting room.

The house belongs to the Krittaya-anon family, which owns a student uniform business under the Tra Samor brand. Nuttawut Krittaya-anon, 33, said the car belonged to his mother, Siriporn, 61. She paid 10 million baht for it in September.

Mr Nuttawut said that when his mother drove back home at 10pm on Thursday, she inserted the charging module into the back of the car and plugged the other end of the cable into an outlet in the living room.

"She does this every day and would pull the plug in the morning. But at around 6am today, while we were still sleeping, an explosion was heard in the garage," he said.

"When we came down, we found the back of the car in flames and the fire was quickly spreading on the charging cable to the sitting room. It was happening so fast that we couldn't do anything."

He said the car was covered by Thaivivat Insurance Plc and the annual premiums were almost 100,000 baht.
Police are investigating the cause of the fire.

Thairath Online reported that representatives from Setpoint Group, the importer and dealer that sold the car, had spoken with Mr Nuttawut and said they would report the incident to the German manufacturer.

Thaivivat Insurance also said it would take full responsibility for the damages in line with the conditions in the policy.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by oakdale160 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:00 am

I just saw some info on sales of EVs in the US. This year it is expected that the sales will be over 2% of total sales of cars, expected to rise by 2% so that in 2030 it will be 26% and those stats are from enthusiasts.
In the US and Canada, the got is offering rebates ($C14,000 in Ontario) Are other countries doing this.
Big drive for EVs in China, but their electricity is very dirty, many coal-burning generators. Just exporting the pollution to the countryside.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by STEVE G » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:29 pm

I'm surprised by how many taxi companies are turning to electric vehicles here in Europe, walking past the rank outside the airport in Luxembourg there are always a couple of Tesla's, quite a few Nissan Leafs and whole fleets of Prius hybrids.

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