TM30 Form

Post by **Khao Tao Lions** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:19 pm

Can anybody confirm whether, if you own a property, you have to submit a TM30 form to the immigration office/police station within 24 hours of arrival.
Is this in addition to the TM6?? form you have to complete at the airport?
I had never heard of this form until recently. Is is just Hua Hin who have introduced this form or is it nationwide.

Post by **Norseman** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:44 pm

Yes, it is in addition to the TM6 on arrival.

We believe only Hua Hin is enforcing this silly/stupid law and on top of that some people have to report others don't. Kind of lottery I think.
What category you belong to is a matter between you and the immigration office.
I belong to the group of people that have to report back within the 24 hrs time frame.

Post by **mr lonely** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:58 am

I too am one of those singled out for 24 hour reporting.
I cannot see the point of this at all but dspite many requests for reasons all I am shown is the official papework which demands it.
Yet if I return to hailand, spend a few days in Bangkok, they do not ask for any proof of where I wad between arrival and reporting. Crazy !

Post by **PeteC** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:13 am

I'm still of the strong opinion it has no immigration/law enforcement purpose, but was instituted through Immigration by the TAT to drive their visitor statistical database. Who was where and when etc. Pete

Post by **Wanderlust** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:08 am

Pete,
You may well be right but if it does only apply to those who own property in their name then statistically it would be pretty useless information for TAT, because of the small numbers it is likely to cover as well as the apparent lack of enforcement in the rest of the country. I think its either just one of those archaic laws that Hua Hin has somehow picked up on, or its a misinterpretation of a law such as the one that requires hotels and guesthouses to report who is staying at their places.

Post by **Khao Tao Lions** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:47 pm

Thanks for your replies.

Another form to fill in!!

Super Joe · Post by **Super Joe** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:59 pm

T.M.30 'supposedly' applies to the following:

From Immigration Website:
"House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national"

'House owners' is often Thai wife, Limited Company or a Thai Lessor, as not that many farangs seem to register the house in their own name when leasing.

'Heads of household' is that the person whose name is in the Blue/Yellow book (many have no name ever entered in), or is it you Pete, WL and me? Does that mean we have to report when our friends come to stay

'Landlords' - Bet not many landlords report, especially Farang landlords, then you're in the system as earning income = liable for tax = work permit if you're at all involved in the rentals/repairs etc

'Hotel/Guesthouse Managers' - From everything I've read from various sources it's only really the hotel/guesthouse owners that T.M.30 reporting is widely enforced upon, this is probably to do with what Pete said re: tracking tourist visitors. The chart below is off the TAT website and presumably derived from the T.M.30 reports, but who knows!?

SJ

Post by **JAJA** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:03 pm

Does this mean that if you stay at a hotel in Bangkok before coming down to your house at HH, that you still have to fill in the from? In other words is it required within 24 hours of arriving at your residence irrespective of how long it been since you arrived in Thailand? Too many rules, regulations and forms for my liking.

Post by **lomuamart** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:38 pm

SJ has posted the relevant stuff. There's also another MFA directive from the year dot that confirms this.
It's an archaic law that, to the best of my knowledge, only HH and Nong Khai are enforcing.

Super Joe · Post by **Super Joe** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:57 pm

Khao Tao Lions wrote:Thanks for your replies.
Another form to fill in!!

I'm not so sure it's the T.M.30 that we should be filling in KT Lion, but the T.M.28 instead, maybe Lomu, Buksi or anyone else can shed some light on this. There was a thread about this 24 hour reporting the other day entitled 'Human Rights', were people on that thread talking about T.M.30 or 28 ?

It seems to read to me that the T.M.30 is more for those that are accomodating visitors in some way .......

Immigration's description of the two forms

Immigration's guidelines and header of the T.M.30 form

Immigration's header of the T.M.28 form

SJ

Post by **charlesh** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:21 am

Seems to be at best another bureaucratic control mechanism AND I was told on my visit to HH Imm 2 weeks back that you also MUST do 1 for ANY foreign visitor who stays with you!!!!!
Apparently you can fax/e-mail them but have yet to find the appropriate contact details (maybe on bottom of T30 ha, ha)??? OR was that form xyz123.

Post by **Wanderlust** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:10 am

Looking at everything SJ has posted (thanks SJ) it would seem that TM28 would be the relevant form but other than the download page of Thai immigration there doesn't seem to be any reference whatsoever to it in particular as regards who should fill it in. As I have mentioned elsewhere in this section I specifically asked HH immigration when I returned to Thailand in January whether I needed to fill a form in for 24 hour reporting and they told me no; at the time I was on a year's extension of my non O visa on the basis of marriage but I recall them not even looking in my passport. From the stories I have heard on here it would seem that this form only seems to be used when either someone is requesting some sort of confirmation by immigration of their status here, or some other additional service outside of the normal procedures - does that seem to hold true with everyone else?

I notice on the blurb about the TM30 that it specifies 'temporary basis' and I wonder how they determine that - 1 week, 1 month, 1 year? That certainly doesn't seem to be a form that the 'alien' has to fill in though. The whole thing remains a mystery really.

Post by **pharvey** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:30 pm

Being a bl**dy simpleton, I was not aware of any of this - and never thought to check. I have invested in a property on a small development (nowhere near completion) close to the Black Mountain Golf Club. At this stage my wife and I are planning on visiting once or twice a year for a couple of weeks holiday, hopefully at least part of the remaining year will be rental. Obviously come rental time there will be requirements we will have to fullfill. However, if it is just myself and my wife visiting, does this effect us and are we required to fill in the forms..... added problem (possibly) being my wife is Chinese.

Sorry to be so long-*******-winded!