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cozza wrote:Everyone has their views (even myself) that others see differently or similarly, cant make everyone happy!

To be extremely stereotypical (not meaning to single anyone out or be judgmental) but those with Issan partners seem to be sympathetic to the Reds. I would love to be told or proved otherwise though...

I personally found it very insightful, good to see you write as you see it.

I follow the local Sydney Morning Herald, which keeps saying that is the poor vs bangkok elite...shits me.
Wrong. My wife is from Isaan, and if you look at some of my previous posts you'll certainly see I don't support the reds. With that said, I don't support the yellows either. In situations such as this, I would rather support a strong military leader who could restore law and order. When the yellows took the airport, I couldn't help but laugh. In my country that sort of thing would have been dealt with very swiftly, and I can assure you the yellows would have been out in the first day. The same applies to the reds, in that they would have been sent home licking their wounds long ago.

Once you've been warned, and yet you still decide to ignore the instructions, you only have yourself to blame for whatever comes your way. A few shotgun shells filled with course salt rather than buckshot soon gets people moving when they're being naughty..... :laugh:

This country is grinding to a standstill, and it's about time a hard-line approach is taken. Not happy with the government, then make your opinions known when there's an election. After all, does it really make such a difference whether elections are held in three month's time or whether they're held in eight month's time? All this trouble simply over a matter of five months? Maybe this general needs an early retirement so that a certain other one can get on with his job.

What about all the ordinary people trying to earn a living, and who cannot do so because of the demonstrations? How would these reds like it if half of Bangkok went and camped out on their rice fields come planting or harvesting time?

Also, every country in the world pumps more money into the major cities rather than into rural areas - Thailand is no different. Not all reds are upset because they don't have better schools and more jobs. Many are upset because they simply want more free hand-outs. I've seen many who get a good job here in Hua-Hin, with good pay and good working conditions, and yet after a few months they disappear back up country for the easy life. Do I blame them? No, not really, but if that's the choice you make then don't complain. For many, being able to sit around all day doing nothing is far more enjoyable than having to get up early and work all day. In fact, it makes me wander just how many Thais would be living on the dole if Thailand had the same system as the UK. After all, look how many able bodied people there are in the UK who moan and gripe all day about how hard life is, and yet they'll go to great lengths in order to avoid having to get a job.

Also, look at how many Thais are doing extremely well for themselves,even though they grew up in Isaan. Life is what you make of it, irrespective of nationality. Working girls are another example. The excuse is always because they need to support their families. Maybe true in some cases, but not as often as what is quoted. I grew up in an extremely poor family and yet I can't recall my Mom working bars. It's easy money, and unfortunately, the vast majority of Thais like easy money.

BTW....good post STW
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I suppose that from the governments point of view, any attempt to use force is highly likely to end in a disaster which would force it to step down anyway.
They appear to be doing nothing, but apparently alot of behind the scenes power brokering is going on, but what that achieves is anyones guess.
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Takiap, I have read and enjoyed many your posts, I believe we are on the same page.

Sorry if I insulted, no way intended to. Just a bias based on main support base...
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Takiap wrote:Not happy with the government, then make your opinions known when there's an election.
But this is where we start going round in circles, isn't it?!

Because those supporting Thaksin did exactly that - twice - and he was re-elected on an even bigger mandate than he won first time round.

So, the powers that be didn't like it/him and yes, lets just say, he made mistakes! But, apart from acting in the time honoured way that all Thai politicians have done, he made some pretty bad errors on the appointments front.

So as a consequence, he got removed by the powers that be and at the next election, lo and behold, his party were voted back in yet again. Clearly not what the Army/so called elite were expecting or wanted. Then the judiciary kicked in and before you know it, with support from the PAD, by causing economic mayhem that we all know about, they were kicked out again and the current puppet installed as PM.

Hence the current situation and whats good for the goose is good for the gander and all that. The Country is at stalemate and very divided and its going to need something special to break that in a way that works. Hold another election and the chances are the party the reds support will get back in again. Then what?

I should point out that being a supporter in prinicpal doesn't mean I support the current action. I think most reports I have read of the dispute across a range of UK and world media appear on the whole well balanced and not littered with some of the generalisations and stereotypes portrayed on some posts here.
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No reply yet from the UDD concerning this statement. The implications of them announcing this are huge. Pete :cheers:

News » Local News
Govt claims plot targets King
Network members include politicians

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1 ... rgets-king

* Published: 27/04/2010 at 01:14 AM
* Online news: Local News Bangkok Post

The Centre for the Resolution to Emergency Situations claims to have uncovered a plot to overthrow the monarchy.

The CRES said the network behind the plot included key leaders of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship, members of the Puea Thai Party and former banned politicians, academics and hosts of community radio programmes.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said yesterday the CRES had put together the pieces of the “political jigsaw”. He said people involving in the network could face legal action.

The prime minister and the armed forces have long suspected the UDD rally had a higher purpose than just forcing a dissolution of the House of Representatives.

CRES spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd said the demonstration, which started in mid-March, had attacked the higher institution through UDD leaders and the red shirts’ media.

The CRES yesterday ordered red shirt protesters to walk away from road blockades or face a crackdown by a joint police-military operation. Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd said any attempts by UDD supporters to obstruct convoys of security authorities would face the same action taken yesterday at Wang Noi district in Ayutthaya.

Police from the Regions 1 and 7 and soldiers from the 1st Calvary Battalion decided to break up a checkpoint set up illegally by the UDD late yesterday afternoon. The operations prompted some UDD members to flee the area.

The centre decided to take action after buses, taxies and other vehicles were checked by nearly 400 UDD members, causing heavy traffic congestion on Phahon Yothin Road near the outer ring road in the district.

The latest operation came as political tension shifted from the capital to the provinces where red shirt members blockaded soldiers and police assigned for reinforcement in Bangkok.

UDD leaders are concerned more police and soldiers are part of the government’s plan to launch another effort to clamp down on the demonstrators at Ratchaprasong intersection.

The capital was rocked by grenade attacks in front of the house of Chart Thai Pattana Party chief adviser Banharn Silpa-archa on Sunday night and a bomb threats in front of Chulalongkorn Hospital and a car showroom.

UDD protesters yesterday gathered in Pathum Thani, Saraburi, Chachoengsao, Phitsanulok and Ayutthaya.

Ayutthaya appeared to bear the brunt of separate UDD rallies in Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya district, where they seized five police vans and detained six soldiers, police officers said.

A group of nearly 100 UDD protesters, led by Puea Thai MP for Ayutthaya Surachet Chaikosol, used motorcycles and tuk tuks to block a road in Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya district to prevent Lop Buri police reportedly travelling in 14 vans to Bangkok.

Five vans were seized by the group while the rest managed to flee from the blockade to other routes.

In Saraburi’s Nong Khae district, about 200 UDD protesters blocked a section of Phahon Yothin Road to inspect vehicles heading to Bangkok.

Many motorists became angry while they were inspected by the protesters. Meanwhile, in Chachoengsao, about 200 UDD protesters used 15 songthaew passenger trucks and motorcycles to block entrances and exits at Chachoengsao police station to prevent officers from travelling to Bangkok.

Their blockade prompted Chachoengsao police chief Monton Mianan to call an urgent meeting on a way to take 300 officers from the station to join other security officers in Bangkok.

Police used road spikes on Chachongsao- Kabin Buri road.

Police in Phitsanulok also faced a similar blockage when the 31st Border Patrol Police division at Fort Phraya Chakri was surrounded by the UDDlinked Red Shirt Phitsanulok 51. More than 150 officers were prevented from leaving their base for a mission in Bangkok as about 100 protesters placed logs, rocks and objects across a road in front of the division.

However, border patrol police decided to go through the protesters who used women as their front line and had men throw stones and wood at the officers. The police, equipped with batons and shields, eventually managed to get out of the area although the action sparked a clash in which some protesters were injured.

Meanwhile, UDD leader Natthawut Saikua said the UDD was planning to move today from the Ratchaprasong stronghold to undisclosed locations.

“It’s time for another an offensive drive,” he said. “The government has been trying hard to crack down on the red shirt demonstration and we want them to know that we remain firm on our goal to oust the Abhisit Vejjajiva government.”
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BTS cancels all services

The skytrain (BTS) cancelled all of its services Tuesday morning because red-shirt protesters used tires to block the railways at the Chidlom station.

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Here's an update on todays situation.

It seems like the CRES and Govt. plus Bangkok Elites are Pulling out there schach mate move or the Royal flush card. to discredit the RED fraction.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1 ... rgets-king

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Pete you beat me with your post

notice that the comment on that report option is now off line? Wondering why?....maybe not!

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prcscct wrote:BTS cancels all services

The skytrain (BTS) cancelled all of its services Tuesday morning because red-shirt protesters used tires to block the railways at the Chidlom station. The Nation
An update is that all service was to resume at 1000 hours after the Red Shirts agreed to remove the blockages from all tracks.

The handwriting is on the wall here. The rank and file are running around doing what they want to do and it appears the leadership is running after them telling them to undo what they did. Recipe for disaster. :roll: Pete :cheers:
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On bus 1 hr Sth of Udon Thani on Sund. at 7:30 AM. Pulled up at barricade with some 100+ si daeng shirted/skirted and veiled members of Jed Clampetts group. Got on board and seemed to request and get the papers of 2 sailors on board. How's that for democracy? I suspect si dam is more appropriate!!
Curiously noted a cop unattended check point another 10 minutes further on.
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What a tolerant society. What other country on this planet would allow demonstrators to kidnap members of their armed forces? I bet some governments are rolling on the floor laughing.
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I drove from the other side of Khon Kaen this morning towards Bangkok and encountered 6 police checks but no red shirt mobs.

For those that are interested, PM Abhisit is on the BBC "Hardtalk" show tonight, might be well worth a watch.
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There is a lot of nasty stuff going on this afternoon, too much to post. Go to the below. Pete :cheers:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/breakingnews/
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Looks like a mistake on the part of the Red shirts. They have split their ranks with many of them now cut off at or near Don Muang Airport.

The police are closing all roads and intersections around Rajprasong, using megaphones the Police have informed the remaining Red shirts at Rajprasong that those wanting to go home to leave the area immediately.

If the police decide to clear the Rajprasong area tonight, I pray it is without to much injury to all sides of this sad affair.
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