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From todays Post another great column by their one proper journalist Vornai (despite the large numbers of typos in the piece). I really like this guys op ed commentary on current events, and 99.9% of the time he is on the money when it comes to standing up to government nonsense. Hes one of the few journalists here that deserves the title, and possibly the only one I read that does some form of investigative work.

Ive got to say this is one of his more jaw dropping pieces :

Is Thailand getting more stupid?

Once upon a dream, Thailand's national agenda was to battle with Singapore for regional jlsupremacy in terms of human and economic development.

Once upon a dream we talked of becoming one of the ``Asian Tigers'', roaring with the likes of Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and the aforementioned Singapore.

Today the reality is we meow like a little pussy cat, wet and shaking in the cold, fearing that other alley cats like Cambodia and Vietnam will eat us up.

About two million children aged between three and 17 nationwide, or about 11% of the country's school-age population, are not receiving even the basic education, according to the Quality Learning Foundation (QLF).

As well, the number of workers with an education background below primary level stands at 21.6 million people, or 60% of the country's labour-age population.

According to Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, Thailand's scores have dipped over the past decade, and the country now ranks in the bottom third of the 36 countries that participated.

Since 2007, student performances in Thailand's O-Net national exams have fallen steadily in all five core subjects: Thai, maths, science, social studies and English.

If the question is, is Thailand getting more stupid, the answer is no. If the question is, is Thailand getting more stupid relative to other countries, the answer is a resounding yes _ because while others are in a foot race to provide ``the opportunities to pursue happiness'' for their citizens, we just keep crawling on our hands and knees.

Who should we blame for this? Every single Thai person of adult age; anyone over 21 years old. Because if we don't help our sons and daughters, our little brothers, sisters and cousins, then who will?

Every single child in this country is our son and daughter _ that is what it means to be a society.

We need to _ in a nutshell _ pull our collective heads out of the hole in the ground _ after all, we're not a bunch of ostriches. We need to breathe in the reality of our mediocrity and then take the social responsibilities to make that change.

Our society isn't crumbling, we aren't falling apart, but rest assured that the numbers do not lie _ we are getting more and more stupid relative to others. If every one of us does not lend a hand, then rest assured of something else _ all Thailand will ever achieve is
jlmediocrity.

I have read articles and listened to politicians and bureaucrats talk about education reform. I have interviewed ministers and officials about creative economy.

And this I can tell you; to this day I still have no idea what they were talking about. The problem is: I don't think they do either.

Because the most blatant action I have seen the government take on the issue of education is trying to prevent university students from expressing
jlpolitical ideas and organising political activities that are contrary to the official stance.

Not to mention the usual censorship we all know so well. Censoring ideas and opinions is amputating the mind and dismembering the soul, consequently forcing the young (and the public in general) to become stupid.

I have read and heard the media expound lyrical poetry against government restrictions and censorship, while at the same time the media itself is most adamant in delivering ``appropriate'' content by ``appropriate'' people to the public in upholding ``tradition''.

That is not only self-censorship, it is hypocrisy. It is amputating the mind and dismembering the soul, consequently forcing the young (and the public in general) to become stupid.

The young look up to people in the entertainment industry _ the stars _ as the young naturally would in any society around the world.

But the stars of the Thai entertainment industry by en large are factory products rolled off the assembly line, with internally built censorship mechanisms that give off a high pitched alert if they ever even consider opening their mouth to utter an opinion of their own or say anything of any conse quence. Because this might _ heaven forbid _ harm their image and hurt the company's bottom-line.

The young look up to heroes who are just beautiful talking puppets
jlincapable of any thought process, but so vivid in their talentless portrayal of mindless characters on senseless television programming _ because anything creative and intelligent is ultimately deemed inappropriate and dangerous.

Amputating the mind and dismembering the soul, consequently forcing the young (and the public in general) to become stupid.

Every week I teach at a university and last week I asked the students, growing up, what is the question your parents and teachers hate the most? They answered with a resounding ``why''. Adults hate to be asked ``why''. I then asked what happened when you ask ``why''.

The answer was a couple of ``whys'' was tolerable, but too many ``whys'' and they are told to be quiet and are accused of being disruptive and disrespectful. At best, they are told to go and find out the answers themselves.

Not in the spirit of adventure and self-discovery, however. But because the adults are exasperated and clueless, hence they are told to go and find out for themselves without any guidance, without direction or a map. Not even a flashlight.

Does this not amputate the mind and dismember the soul, consequently forcing the young to become stupid?

There you have it _ the government, the media (news and entertainment), the school and the family all comply to keep Thailand dumb.

There are, of course, exceptions to every norm. There are politicians,
jlofficials, media people, stars, teachers and parents who do well in nurturing the mind and the soul of the young. But exception to the norm isn't going to keep us from the benign existence of mediocrity.

The children who won the mathematic, robotic and science competitions that we read about in the news should be congratulated and nurtured, and applause to those parents and teachers who have helped them.

The children who have the opportunity to attend top schools and gain education abroad should also be congratulated and nurtured. But these are few and far in between.

The reality is 11% of the school-aged population is not even getting a basic education. The reality is the
jlmajority, while getting the basic education, are not getting quality education. The reality is 60% of the country's labour-age population doesn't even have primary level education.

Employers complain about the low skills and creativity levels of the workforce, because the universities have failed in preparing that workforce. University professors complain about the quality of students because secondary school teachers have failed. Secondary school teachers complain because primary school teachers have failed.

Primary school teachers complain because parents have failed. Parents complain because society has failed to assist. Society complains because the government has failed to help.

The government complains because businesses, universities, schools, parents and society refuse to embrace change.

Who's responsible to make and embrace the changes? Everyone. Because if we don't help our sons and daughters, our little brothers, sisters and cousins _ then who will? Every single child in this country is our son and daughter _ that is what it means to be a society.

We can simply start by opening our minds and stop censoring. Open our hearts and let opinions and ideas come out in the open. Nurture the question ``why'' and help the young find out ``why'' _ heaven forbid, in the process we adults might become smarter too.

This is something everyone can do, from parents to teachers to government to the media and to employers. Then there will be those who will say it's too hard. It can't be done in Thailand. Or even that it shouldn't be done.

The idealists change the world. The clueless take up space. The naysayer wastes oxygen.
Now that is really scary stuff. I know there are some HHAD educators....so what do you think?

I agree with Vornai that this runs deeper that just the schools. The media in Thailand is woefully bad at educating and seems content to leave it to the foriegn media channels on satellite TV like NG or Discovery. I think that gap is the most significant Ive ever seen anywhere Ive been...there appears to be almost zero educational programming, and current events are only covered on the news. So kids whose parents cant afford satellite get no access to educational programming....insane.

I think this is a snowballing crisis for Thailand, and in the next decade or so they will start paying for this in spades.....its an overused cliche, but your kids are your future.

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The Journalist wrote:Once upon a dream, Thailand's national agenda was to battle with Singapore for regional supremacy in terms of human and economic development. Once upon a dream we talked of becoming one of the "Asian Tigers'', roaring with the likes of Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and the aforementioned Singapore.
Thank gawd too.
I've enjoyed Singapore before for the odd horrendously expensive weekend, but despite all Thailand's faults I would never want to live there. Those of us that have managed to break free from our Western ways, adapted to and enjoy the Thai way of life, would hate Singapore imo. It's too squeaky clean, devoid of any talung'ness and lacking in the free and easy ways we enjoy in Thailand. Apart from the above factors, bar the odd millionaire among us the rest of us would'nt be able to afford to live there or even here should the country develop into some super-efficient first world country people crave.
Give me unorganised, free, corrupt, inexpensive, dirty and naughty any day of the week :cheers:


Today the reality is we meow like a little pussy cat, wet and shaking in the cold, fearing that other alley cats like Cambodia and Vietnam will eat us up.
Was he a script writer for jackanory before joining the Post :?

He should have a read of this 2010 report ... "Cambodia still has major problems affecting the education system, including corruption, poverty and mismanagement. Corruption happens uncontrollably in every school, and the unsolved shortage of schools, school materials and proficient teachers contributes even more to the declining education system in Cambodia, making it fall even further from international education systems."
"A teacher's average salary is only $30 per month, consequently teachers have to sell either lesson papers or test papers to their students. "Some students have to study without textbooks. Textbooks can't be updated regularly to the recognized standard, so lessons are old and all public school students have to learn outdated lessons. That's why graduated students are not internationally acknowledged. Besides, it is worth noticing that, in all public schools, there aren't any science laboratories.


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Hi there Sandman

I had personally e - Mailed Mr. Voranai before when you know his background he is a natural thinker he likes movies that encourages thinkning he was though Journalism in the US which encourages Questioning and critical thinking.
What also worries me deeply is the that University Students are discouraged political Activism and reasoning which I think is orchestrated by the Bangkok Elites and some forces behind the scenes of the govt.
Why would they don this to their own people?
Because a less educated mass of Thai Citizens are muchi easier to control then an educated one those people behind the are counting on the youth for a smooth sailing rule for the future as children will be adults and they will be less then a threat to whatever party who are in rule. Unlike these past times where The Elites are Challenged and they felt severely threatened in their status quo.
Now for those in the middle class to upper classes who can afford send their children to be Educated abroad to escape the blatant lack Education that still persits in Thailand. But the majority who still live here in Thailand are still trapped in this tiresome education system of dumb down of Thai Citizens just for the sake of few Rich to stay rich.

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'Primary school teachers complain because parents have failed. Parents complain because society has failed. Society complains because the government has failed....'

Has this guy been living in the UK? Because it does sound all too familiar. The analogies drawn here - no doubt unwittingly - between Thailand and the UK - are quite frankly scary.
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Super Joe wrote: I've enjoyed Singapore before for the odd horrendously expensive weekend, but despite all Thailand's faults I would never want to live there. Those of us that have managed to break free from our Western ways, adapted to and enjoy the Thai way of life, would hate Singapore imo. It's too squeaky clean, devoid of any talung'ness and lacking in the free and easy ways we enjoy in Thailand. Apart from the above factors, bar the odd millionaire among us the rest of us would'nt be able to afford to live there or even here should the country develop into some super-efficient first world country people crave.
Give me unorganised, free, corrupt, inexpensive, dirty and naughty any day of the week :cheers:
SJ, I used to live there. Made the break more than twenty years ago to come here, no regrets.
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It used to be well known for the standard of English, note the word 'used'. The promotion of Mandrin has driven the standard of English so far down it has to be experienced to be believed. Coupled with an influx of immigrants from China, I was appalled at not being able to find a salesperson at the Robinson's Department store in Orchard Road during Christmas shopping who could speak intelligible English.
For the locals, you'd be lucky if you owned a unit of public housing (99 year lease) by the time you retired. The goalposts keep getting moved higher and higher.
The hospitals have been privatised depriving ex-government servants of their full benefits.
It gets worse (or at least seems to) every time I go back...
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Good point on the "Why" issue. It is near impossible to get an answer especially for "Why did you?" or "Why didn't you?"
"When" and "Where" are also a nightmare at times and result in totally irrelevant answers followed by nervous, uncomfortable, silences.

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Is Thailand getting more stupid?

gee i hope not, its difficult enough as it is.
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I think the problem isnt just what is taught, its also a lot to do with HOW it is taught. Kids here are taught mainly by rote, and that doesnt encourage kids to develop skills in critical thinking and reasoning. These skills are essential for good governance and strategic planning, - that may in itself explain why Thai government is such an unco-ordinated purely reactive mess (that and corruption of course).

Plagarism is also counter to a good education as it is just an excuse to not read and not think. That even doctorate level university staff here openly admit they employed plagarism to get their doctorates is beyond belief (recent articles again in the Post). In the west they would be stripped of their qualifications, here its just accepted. Madness....what sort of example is that to their students? Cheat and succeed?

I dunno, when peole here cant even find their own country on a globe without help that scares me, andmy kids couldnt, neither could their mum.

THATS bad.

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This in a way drives home the points being made here. :roll: I highly applaud the student's resolve though. How many western students would swim a river to get to school? :shock: Pete :cheers:
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Near-tragedy leads Northern school to seek money for bridge
By Janjira Jarusupawat
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Mae Hong Son
Published on August 31, 2010

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A school director is trying to drum up funds for the construction of a bridge across the Ngao River after strong currents nearly swept one of his students away.

"Fortunately, his friends saved him in time," Siam Ruangsuksai, the principal of Longpae Wittaya School, said yesterday.

The cost for the bridge will likely run about Bt300,000, but donations have reached just Bt174,000 so far.

The school is located near the confluence of the Ngao and mekong rivers in Sob Moei district.

Although it's a boarding school, some 40 out of the 156 students cross the river on weekends to spend time at home.

"Some of them are still in kindergarten. Teachers will always help the young children cross the river. But for the older students, they're on their own," he said.

When the Ngao rose too high, the school had to pay for a ferry that cost Bt400 per trip.

The school was also struggling with a muddy lane linking it to Mae Hong Son town.

"Only a 4WD vehicle can travel on this route," he said. "When we hire the vehicle, we need to pay Bt4,000 per trip (for the transportation of food and other supplies needed by the school). In all, the cost for this is Bt12,000 a month."

Without a 4WD, the school also found it hard to rush an ill student to a hospital.

"Our teacher has to carry the student across the river. Then, he must tie the student with a multipurpose cloth before starting the motorcycle trip down the rough road," he said.

Donations to the school can be made via at-call account 020021745649 at the Government Savings Bank. A present of a used 4WD is also welcome.
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The "student bridge" story above is a real face palm story...unbelievable in 2010 Thailand that this is still going on out in the boonies...... those poor kids. Its an utter disgrace....its also a disgrace that the communities dont get together to build the kids a bridge.

Vornai mentioned that the media was partly responsible for the stupid levels.... and heres a glowing example from the Nation today. This face palm inducer was written, and I use the term very very loosely, by one of their so called editors.

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We reap what we sow in the form of natural disasters
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Published on September 3, 2010

The governors of North Carolina, Virginia and Maryland have declared states of emergency as Hurricane Earl whirled into a powerful Category 4 storm and barrelled towards the east coast of the United States, packing winds of around 225 kilometres per hour. The highest storm category is 5, with winds of 250 km per hour and higher.

A volcano in Sumatra, Indonesia has erupted for the first time in 400 years, spewing a vast cloud of smoke and ash into the air and sending thousands of people fleeing from their homes. If the eruption becomes even more severe, it could create a huge tsunami that would wreak havoc on neighbouring countries. Japan, as always, could also experience serious quakes.


Russia has faced unprecedented drought, heat and wildfires this summer, which have badly hurt its economy and resulted in many human casualties.

Floods have swept over Pakistan and China, inundating vast areas of land and killing thousands.

These are only a few examples of the natural disasters that are rocking the planet with unprecedented frequency and on an ever-larger scale. This has been going on for over a year now.

My cautious reading is that natural disasters could bring about a global economic depression. If one of the major economies were to suffer badly from a huge natural disaster, its economy could be irreparably damaged, and this could create a contagion effect. When factories and properties are destroyed in natural disasters, banks are hurt and goods can't be shipped either in or out. Bad debts arising from disasters are widespread. With increasing international linkages in the global economy, when one country really suffers in a disaster, it could potentially drag others down with it.

It is increasingly apparent that some natural disasters are caused by decades of human attempts to overcome and defeat nature. When we suck oil or natural gas from the ground or beneath the sea, the earth undergoes a seismic and geological change. Lava moves in instead. This could also be one of the reasons why drought has been widespread. When it rains, the water quickly moves into the soil and reduces its stability, leading to mudslides. Meanwhile, factories and vehicles continue to emit CO2 into the atmosphere.

The relentless process of industrialisation in pursuit of high economic growth has hurt planet earth. It appears that we are now receiving payback through natural disasters.

Already the global economy has been hurt by sovereign debt and sluggish growth, which have threatened to create a double-dip recession. Societe Generale Investment of France has advised clients to be ready for a possible "global economic collapse" over the next two years. The Telegraph in the UK this week reported that most developed economies still face a huge debt overhang. "As yet, nobody can say with any certainty whether we have in fact escaped the prospect of a global economic collapse," Ambrose Evans-Pritchard wrote, citing a 68-page report written by asset chief Daniel Fermon.

"Even without fresh spending, public debt will explode within two years to 105 per cent of GDP in the UK, 125 per cent in the US and the eurozone, and 270 per cent in Japan. Worldwide state debt will reach US$45 trillion, up two-and-a-half times in a decade. High public debt looks entirely unsustainable in the long run. We have almost reached a point of no return for government debt."

It is now time for nations to get ready for the worst. Preparations should be made in case further and severe natural disasters hit us abruptly and cause a halt in economic activities. A task force in each country should be set up to deal with the unexpected. Not one single country will be spared from natural disasters, which seemingly are reactions to global climatic change and massive human exploitation of resources.

This is not a time for complacency. The downside risks are growing by the day.
Oil extraction = volcanoes and earthquakes and mudslides....... O RILLY?????

remove the oil and lava moves in.... O RILLY??????

the severity of volcanic eruptions causes tsunamis.... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGH!!!!

Y see folks, when you employ some retard with the scientific education of a donkey and the economic understanding of a brick, this is the "informed op ed" you get....complete and utter sensationalist quack science nonsense from start to end. My 12 year old nephew has a better grasp of geology than this.

And if it is this bad in an English language paper what brand of nonsense do you think the Thai Rath and other Thai language papers are running?

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Not sure whether it's getting more "stupider" :wink: as opportunities and educational possibilities are becoming more available and widespread, admittedly the quality of what's available is still up for debate, as before (20 years ago) there really was sweet FA on this front and most were lucky to get more than a Prathom 6 education in most places.

Perhaps it's their priorities that are changing and education is dropping down the list. It seems that the only thing that matters is the acquisition of wealth at the detriment of almost all else, most seem so intoxicated by it.

Even in many private colleges/universities it's getting to a point where almost nobody fails, same as going into a 7-11 and buying a pack of crisps, you pay for a product and then you get it. Plagiarism is rife, attendance weak, college is seen often as just an inconvenience that you have to go through the motions to get a piece of paper that is hardly worth the cost of the paper it's printed on. I also don't see where all the jobs are coming from for the million or so graduates each year that pass out of universities or colleges.

Many educational institutions are run simply as businesses and they constitute not much more than a personal fiefdom of a Thai family, it's all about 'bums on seats'.

Regarding the thread title then, if so, then perhaps their collective minds are being numbed by the TV and media along with all the bewildering things of the 21st century technology, it's like a collective 'dumbing down'.

I can see the apathy of so many young people at higher education level, Hi5 and options on a Yamaha Fino are more interesting than English/Math etc.
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Hi there Spitfire

May I quote you:
It seems that the only thing that matters is the acquisition of wealth at the detriment of almost all else, most seem so intoxicated by it.
Just like The Star Treks Alien Race The Ferengi
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And almost all rules of the Ferengi Rules of Aquisition can be applied to a Thais rule of Aquisition
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition

Seriously what Mr, Voeanai said in his Article is so right but it takes time to the seed of changes that must be planyed now rather than later to blossom up if the environment allows it though.
Lets face it that Thailand is a Big business alongside government is family run and highly nepotistic.It basically is a feudal state with a very thin veil of democracy!
May I qoute you again
Many Educational instititions are run like businesses.
One prominent Example: my old University way inside Palm Hills.

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