The unofficial farang election poll

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How will the election turn out?

PT will landslide it and Thaksin will return bringing the wrath of hell on earth with him.
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10%
PT will win buy purchasing another party as they did previously and Thaksin will return immanently demanding his money back.
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7%
PT will win but the military will kick them out again resulting in two years of mickey mouse leadership and generals getting fatter.
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56%
Democrats will landslide it and the reds will start burning cities again.
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No party wins enough votes for a majority so more elections are called for in a few months time.
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27%
PT and the Democrats will merge providing a better standard of life for everyone and expelling all of those corrupt politicians that screwed up the last 37 elections.
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No votes
 
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sargeant wrote: by the way your response albeit slow was totally expected but you show your true colours by what you DO NOT call for like the yellow shirt thugs doing time for their transgressions they are purer than driven snow to you (15 all i think)
Of course the yellow shirts should be brought to justice for the airport takeover, as should the reds for using heavy weapons against the public transport system and burning Bangkok.

Maybe you should learn to read:
buksida wrote:They are all crooks in my book, only in it to line their own pockets - show me a politician that isn't and I'll happily agree with you.
I support no colour or political party - they are all as bad as each other (see, I've written it in big red letters for you).

A year off the board and your only posts on your return are myopic rants about your beloved dictator and how his cronies and crooked family members deserve to be back in power - those are your true colours, so I am not going to entertain you with further debate on this futile topic.

As for village improvements, yes, under Thaksin things got better in the northeast, under the Democrats things got better in the south (notice the road improvements and infrastructure projects in south Prachuab and Chumphon). There has yet to be a party that takes care of the entire country, they are all to polarised towards their vote base at the moment.
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There has yet to be a party that takes care of the entire country, they are all to polarised towards their vote base at the moment.
Yes, I think it would have to be a new party all together as the Democrats really don't have much of a chance in the North East.
One thing I will say for the various popularist parties that I've seen in Issan is that they are do actively campaign around the villages and the local MPs are familiar faces which is very important to rural people. The Democrat candidates tend to be a guy in a uniform on an election poster who looks like he has never been to an Issan village in his life.
Another thing to keep in mind on the subject of Thai politics is that many of those who got a five year ban stemming from the post-coup elections, like Newin Chidchob, will be back on the scene next year.
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Well, it has always struck me that the solution is a federal system allowing a large amount of regional autonomy.

Of course, few people in Thailand would accept it, because it would be seen as a secessionist argument by whichever party proposed it. Given that the underlying arguments are about control of people as a resource, the South has no interest in any solution which implies Northern autonomy, or Northern political primacy.
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Reality check 1

Comparing Yellow and Red protests only works in that both comitted acts that were against the law.

There the equivalency ends.

The Yellows may have illegally occupied the airport and staged a long term protest and occupation of Govt House, but I dont recall readng any reports of them burning the buildngs down, building petrol soaked tyre barricades topped with sharpened bamboo spears, setting off IEDs and attempting to blow up infrastructure such as power lines, using M79 grenade lauchers to attack crowds buldings and skytrain stations, violently invadng medical facilities and terrorising staff to where hosptals were evacuated, stealing gas trucks wth the intention of detonatng them outside tower blocks, or firing busts of assault rifle fire at the Army, Police and innocent bystanders.

To suggest that both groups are equally bad is plain dishonest partisanship at its worse and most transparent.

Reality Check 2

Thaksin was and is the most corrupt manipluative liar in a house full of them, and was and is a convicted crimininal fugtive from justice. He is Thailands version of Alberto Fujimori, and like Alberto belongs behind bars. The current conviction against him is only the first....there are 17 other criminal cases pending his return. Those do not include the numerous charges of crimes against humanity he should be charged with, for Tak Bai, the drugs war, and other abuses. Given that he actvely worked for an opposition power (Cambodia) and used his sojurn on the run to interfere with Thai national interests and domestic security he is also arguably a treasonous insurrectionist traitor who should be tried for economc, social and poltical terrorism. He is a liar, a cheat, a theif, a coward, and a traitor.

His family and clan, including his Imelda Marcos like ex wife and Palinesque sock puppet sister the PM are equally morally bankrupt and criminally corrupt. They are liars, cheats, perjurers, corruptors, and greedy money grubbng nepotistic tax evaders. They are a nest of vipers that need driving into the sea, having been stripped of all power, titles and assets first.

Reality Check 3

Thailand is NOT a functioning democracy in any recognisable form at all. It is a demo-crazy banana republc lawless mess, run by the most dishonest, incompetant mob rule pack of ballot buyng political jokes in the world.

The PT party, having been in power less than 6 months, have already implemented one blue sky idiot policy that has had a bad effect on the economy (oil price tinkerng) and now is set to repeat that wth rice schemes...moves that economists and academics said would not and could not work. The media has already been attacked and subjected to direct threats by PTs shabby red shirt rice paddy commie mobs, and in several incidents reporters and the public have been attacked by them while the police stood by and watched doing, as ususal, nothing to enforce the law.

The courts seem to spend all their time on haitus eating som tam and playng golf rather than tryng crminals and terrorists, who are as a result released on bail just in case they are needed around Christmas time when Big Brother is set to return. The King himself and his Privy Counsellors are due to be held to political ransom via the inadmissable (under normal rules) UDD "Free Thaksin" petition that the AG wll no doubt forward, ignoring the law and precedent, thus placing HM and his Counsel in a very awkward postion indeed.

And should, as threatended, BB choose to return come Christmas time, convenently in the middle of High Season, while one half of Thailand is screaming adulation and showering him with red red roses, the other half will almost certanly scream for his head on a judicial spike and shower the government with abuse and possibly bricks.


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Sarge I suggest that you remove the reference to vipers as they are slow to react - perhaps spitting cobras is more apt with their propensity to blind you before sinking the fangs in!
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Charles the vipers comment was SMs not mine

It appears SM is happy to go to a bar get punched at least seven times and if he retaliates he is guilty

Funny but since i was a little boy right up to this day i have been taught and believe it correct that the person or persons that throw the first punch are the villians of the peice

I also think SM really needs a dose of reality plus a very very large dose of logic and inteligence

First reality check this country is not evenly divided as you like to pretend, it is 60/40
and economically about 80/20 the 80% being dirt poor

second reality check i presume the grenades found at the yellow shirt protest sight at the first protest were to break the boredom playing marbles

The piles and piles of golf clubs were to practice their putting

No it is not a democracy you must have read the red shirt posters, it is a dictatorship

As for policies of both sides i would comment that i am not in favour of a lot of the PT policies.
On the Padipat side i can only comment on their one and only policy I know off we padipat know it all and you will do what we say not what we do and to that policy i say P*** off

As for going on&onon&onon&onon&onon&onon&onon&onon&on about Thaxins crap I have made it CRYSTAL CLEAR i want him to have a fair and proper trial and if proven LOCK HIM UP. I am against a free pardon 100% I am also dead against a politically manipulated trial NO MATTER WHAT OR WHO manipulates it.

Finally i would say that to me the one thing I am praying will come out of all this is that the status quo parties get the message THEY CANNOT IGNORE THE POOR ANYMORE and change their policies to encompasse ALL of the population and not just the wealthy minority.

I may then be able to sit quiety and consider policies of all parties and decide on which policies are best for the country.
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But why, Sarge? Ie your remark about deciding which party is best. Why? Don't stress yourself out because you can't do anything about it. If you think you can, well....
Sod the lot of them.
I mean that. I don't give a damn anymore.
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lomuamart wrote:But why, Sarge? Ie your remark about deciding which party is best. Why? Don't stress yourself out because you can't do anything about it. If you think you can, well....
Sod the lot of them.
I mean that. I don't give a damn anymore.
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Sarge why get stressed about something that there is FA you can do to solve? You no like then FO Sarge to another banana kingdom and take your new loved one with you to keep you a happy bunny :laugh: :laugh:
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lomuamart wrote:But why, Sarge? Ie your remark about deciding which party is best. Why? Don't stress yourself out because you can't do anything about it. If you think you can, well....
Sod the lot of them.
I mean that. I don't give a damn anymore.

My sentiments exactly. Nothing we can do or say is going to make a difference, and to be honest, I have seen no REAL difference in everyday life here since October 1997 when I first arrived on the sunny shores. In fact, the only changes I've witnessed concern bar closing times and etc. Hardly something worthy of any gold stars.


I have kids here so I should be concerned about the future of the country, but the fact still remains, I have no say in that future. All I can try and do is teach my kids to think for themselves, rather than just obey without question. Thank goodness I've already at least got them to great me like an ordinary person, rather than some high and mighty authority. Until Thailand realizes that respect means far more if it's earned than it does if it's enforced, they'll nowhere.


The other day I was fortunate enough to witness firsthand, the very clear "divide" even between people of the same class, and this one single example has shown be that there is not even a minute amount of difference between "Bangkok elite" and their "poor" rural brethren. Thai's judge each other in a split second, irrespective of where they come from. I've seen this a million times, but the other day really struck home.


To be honest, if I took life here too seriously, I wouldn't be able to live here. Fortunately I don't take it very seriously, and I simply mind my own business. I love Thailand, and the Thai people even more so, but only a fool would think they are perfect, or that one group is purer than the next.


I also get sick and tired of all the crap about too much money being spent on Bangkok, when in fact it should be spent on development in rural areas. I lived in a rural area in Scotland, and the government spent bugger all developing the area. Governments have to first worry about those areas which bring in capital. What on earth would happen to Thailand if Bangkok was allowed to crumble. It's the financial lifeline of this country, so of course you need to put it first, but hey, I'd also rather have a loan to buy a new Honda Wave, especially since I probably won't even have to pay it back.


Ah well, as I've said, I couldn't care less. :thumb:
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