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dtaai-maai wrote:Yes, it was a fantastic finish. It was also irrelevant.
Not if you are trying to find something positive to say or debate whether if they'd kept the ball to hand, they might have done better.

If one wishes to be uber-critical you could argue the finish might have flattered Wales since the Aussies knew the game was won, so only defended 95% instead of 100%. Easy to say in hindsight.

I thought rugby was a team game? The Aussies lost some key players too. Cooper finally looked like he might show what he's made of, then stuffs his knee. :? Maybe I missed something but why take off Phillips? I didn't think he played badly and he's a proven try-scorer.

It's hard to see how Wales could have seriously competed with NZ, in a final, based on that performance. On the occasions the Welsh looked like they might break through, it was due to flashes of creativity. So, instead of trying to crash through with power all the time, which doesn't work against well drilled or equally matched defences, perhaps they should work more on their creativity? Little kicks over the top of the defence. Those grubber kicks into space, swifter, slicker handling and, of course, the kicking. I've seen less drop goal attempts this World Cup than in previous and, of the few attempts made, most were unsuccessful.

In the main, the modern day player is so strong, fit and agile that forwards can often double as backs. Difficult to see how tries can be scored. Is this the way the game is going? I wonder if anyone has any stats on the number of tries scored during, say, the last 4 World Cups, or the number of points scored, to see if there is a confirmed trend? You would have to exclude those big margins against the minnows.

If games are to be won by who is the best kicker, which it appears to be, doesn't that diminish the game overall? I understand the forwards set up the kicks and penalties in the first place but audiences love to see tries scored.
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pharvey wrote:Personally, I think the final has suffered! :cry:
I don't think it mattered who got through England, Ireland, Wales or France. IMHO the Southern Hemisphere is too strong.
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dtaai-maai wrote:Yes, it was a fantastic finish. It was also irrelevant.
Not if you are trying to find something positive to say or debate whether if they'd kept the ball to hand, they might have done better.
My God, Mr Plum, you love an argument, don't you?

MrPlum wrote:Commiserations to Wales. Great finish.
That was your post - how on earth were you trying to debate anything? :roll:
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pharvey wrote:Personally, I think the final has suffered! :cry:
I don't think it mattered who got through England, Ireland, Wales or France. IMHO the Southern Hemisphere is too strong.
:butt: told you so :D
Oh yeah BB, we were truly stuffed :roll: ............ Thank God Beelzebub's XV weren't there - at least with God's own we saw a game!! :neener:
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dtaai-maai wrote:Yes, it was a fantastic finish. It was also irrelevant.
Missed this comment...... Nope DM it's not irrelevant at all when considering IRB rankings and seedings for tournaments. England are a currently undeserving 4th, but I'm sure Monday's listings will change that. The RWC has far larger effects on the rankings (double I believe) than that of other test matches, so ranking at the end of this tournament is certainly important for those outside the top 3 - points difference has a huge impact.

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dtaai-maai wrote:That was your post - how on earth were you trying to debate anything?
Quite right. I wasn't trying to start a debate or an argument with such an innocuous comment. And yet, you decided it was worth describing as 'irrelevant' without recognizing that it could be seen as both blunt and unnecessary.

I have no wish to start an argument and there is no need for you to describe it as such. :?
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You're not seriously telling me that the Welsh lads were thinking about points difference and world rankings, pharvey?
They had a storming finish for about 4 minutes after the 80 and well done to them, but they were playing for pride and nothing else. Good on them for that, but it was irrelevant to anyone but them.
And that ardent Welsh fan and rugby expert Mr Plum, apparently.
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dtaai-maai wrote:You're not seriously telling me that the Welsh lads were thinking about points difference and world rankings, pharvey?
They had a storming finish for about 4 minutes after the 80 and well done to them, but they were playing for pride and nothing else. Good on them for that, but it was irrelevant to anyone but them.
And that ardent Welsh fan and rugby expert Mr Plum, apparently.
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Not in the slightest DM - the Welsh players and management have done themselves proud, and I'm damn sure they don't give a shite about seedings or rankings..... I was just making a point. They will have gone out to win - end of! As a Welshman, I'm proud, biased and easily wound up as BB will attest to!! :D

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pharvey wrote:Oh yeah BB, we were truly stuffed :roll: ............ Thank God Beelzebub's XV weren't there - at least with God's own we saw a game!! :neener:
I haven't seen the game yet - some of us still have to work :cry: However, 3 points or 30 points, the result is still the same - the Southern Hemisphere were too strong for any of us Northerners (Ireland excluded of course).

For us Northerners, we'll have to let the 6 Nations do the talking for the next 4 years. :D
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pharvey wrote:Oh yeah BB, we were truly stuffed :roll: ............ Thank God Beelzebub's XV weren't there - at least with God's own we saw a game!! :neener:
I haven't seen the game yet - some of us still have to work :cry: However, 3 points or 30 points, the result is still the same - the Southern Hemisphere were too strong for any of us Northerners (Ireland excluded of course).

For us Northerners, we'll have to let the 6 Nations do the talking for the next 4 years. :D
No, no BB you were convinced we would be twatted, so the 3 or 30 is b*ll*cks! :tsk: Pretty sure you were thinking English quality there, but I can appreciate the fact that you support the team... muppetts or not. :naughty: I'm more than happy to have a bet on the 6 Nations.... for just this year or the next 4?
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the welsh boys can come home holding there heads up high and full of pride.can all teams say that?
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pharvey wrote:No, no BB you were convinced we would be twatted, so the 3 or 30 is b*ll*cks! :tsk:
You're probably right, but it helped me into an unbeatable position in the prediction league :D :dance: :wink:
pharvey wrote:I'm more than happy to have a bet on the 6 Nations.... for just this year or the next 4?
I'll have to fore go that offer I'm afraid :oops: England will be re-building/experimenting for the next 3 years in preparation for the next World Cup. You might get lucky by playing them when they field a development side :wink:
daio wrote:the welsh boys can come home holding there heads up high and full of pride.can all teams say that?
Very true. However, I'm sure you can't be slagging off England. After all, there's only one team in the whole competition who lost less games.
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pharvey wrote:I'm more than happy to have a bet on the 6 Nations.... for just this year or the next 4?
I'll have to fore go that offer I'm afraid :oops: England will be re-building/experimenting for the next 3 years in preparation for the next World Cup. You might get lucky by playing them when they field a development side :wink:
Now there was me thinking you were a devout supporter....... obviously not, just a typical English supporter it seems. Rebuilding or not, surely you would support your country to beat the b@st@rd Welsh? No? Well, then again perhaps not when the odds are against you.... :D :run:
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Now there was me thinking you were a devout supporter....... obviously not, just a typical English supporter it seems. Rebuilding or not, surely you would support your country to beat the b@st@rd Welsh? No? Well, then again perhaps not when the odds are against you.... :D :run:
You tell 'im PH :thumb:

Personally speaking & as you're the captain of the rugby pool league, i think you should cite BB for his outbursts over recent weeks towards the Welsh team & maybe dock him 2pts? :wink:
Such abuse shouldn't be acceptable to the wonderful & all round top geezer that is our pool captain :bow: . . . :D
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