I still have some time before we come to Thailand..November or December, but want to plan adequately for our Visa.
1) We will be traveling to US in July. As we now live in India mostly, do we have to get our retirement Visa in US or can we get it from India? We are US citizens and have no problem with income requirements.
2) If I get the Visa in July or August, is this too early for coming in November or December?
3) We will be staying in Thailand but making frequent trips back to India and to other countries. Will there be any problem with multiple entry or exit from Thailand using a retirement visa?
4) Is a retirement visa my best option given my plans? We could stay for 2-4 months at a time.
Thanks
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Re: With a Retirement Visa Any problem with multiple entry/e
Lomu will dot the i's and cross the t's for you, and there are plenty who have direct experience of retirement here, but in the meantime here's my two cents:
1. If you are going to the US in July and not coming here until 5 months later, get the visa in the US.
2. I suggest you apply c.2 months before you travel to Thailand.
3. No problem. Get a multiple entry visa, then a multiple re-entry permit with the extension.
4. Sounds like your best option to me.
Don't forget that there is no such thing as a retirement visa per se: you will be applying for a Non-Immigrant O(? - not sure, but that will be confirmed or corrected) visa with a view to extending it after arrival on the basis of retirement.
You'll get more detail from others, but your situation seems quite straightforward.
1. If you are going to the US in July and not coming here until 5 months later, get the visa in the US.
2. I suggest you apply c.2 months before you travel to Thailand.
3. No problem. Get a multiple entry visa, then a multiple re-entry permit with the extension.
4. Sounds like your best option to me.
Don't forget that there is no such thing as a retirement visa per se: you will be applying for a Non-Immigrant O(? - not sure, but that will be confirmed or corrected) visa with a view to extending it after arrival on the basis of retirement.
You'll get more detail from others, but your situation seems quite straightforward.
This is the way
Re: With a Retirement Visa Any problem with multiple entry/e
Are you talking about an OA visa or an O? The OA is commonly referred to as a retirement visa and it'll give you 12 month's permitted to stay when you arrive here.
1.The OA visa has to be applied for at the Thai Embassy in your home country. You need to demonstrate income or savings and provide a doctor's and police certificate. They come in two varieties - single entry and multiple.
2. It's not necessarily too early in July/Aug. You'll be permitted to stay, say, from 1st Dec 2012 to 31st Nov 2013.
3. If you get a single entry OA and you leave Thailand during the year's permit to stay you'll need a re-entry permit from Imm to keep your visa and permitted to stay date alive. If you don't get one, you'll lose everything. Re-entry permits are easy to get and cost 1,000 THB for single and 3,800 THB for multiple - you'd be best off getting the multiple if you're intending nipping in and out of Thailand.
Alternatively, you could get a multiple entry OA. Again, you get a year's stay when you arrive but you can exit and enter as many times as you want - as long as the visa itself remains valid - and get another year stay from date of re-entry. If you time things right - ie leave Thailand, even if only got a few minutes - just before the visa expires you'll effectively get a second year here when you re-enter. If you leave Thailand during the second year you'll need re-entry permits.
So, no problem with going in and out of here.
4. The OA visa would suit your plans but then so might a simple O visa. These do not normally require proof of funds/savings especially if you're over 50 and say you want to check the country out for retirement. Again, they come in single or multiple entry varieties. There's no need for the police or medical report and you can apply at any Thai consulate, or the Embassy, in either India or America. Consulates tend to be more user friendly.
The O visa gives you 90 days on arrival. With a single entry, that's it. With the multiple entry you can come and go as many times as you like as long as the visa's valid - it's validity will be for a year - and get another 90 days each time you re-enter.
So, the OA gives you more time and you have the re-entry permits. On the other hand the O visa will be easier to get (by that I mean less paperwork)
Hope that helps.
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1.The OA visa has to be applied for at the Thai Embassy in your home country. You need to demonstrate income or savings and provide a doctor's and police certificate. They come in two varieties - single entry and multiple.
2. It's not necessarily too early in July/Aug. You'll be permitted to stay, say, from 1st Dec 2012 to 31st Nov 2013.
3. If you get a single entry OA and you leave Thailand during the year's permit to stay you'll need a re-entry permit from Imm to keep your visa and permitted to stay date alive. If you don't get one, you'll lose everything. Re-entry permits are easy to get and cost 1,000 THB for single and 3,800 THB for multiple - you'd be best off getting the multiple if you're intending nipping in and out of Thailand.
Alternatively, you could get a multiple entry OA. Again, you get a year's stay when you arrive but you can exit and enter as many times as you want - as long as the visa itself remains valid - and get another year stay from date of re-entry. If you time things right - ie leave Thailand, even if only got a few minutes - just before the visa expires you'll effectively get a second year here when you re-enter. If you leave Thailand during the second year you'll need re-entry permits.
So, no problem with going in and out of here.
4. The OA visa would suit your plans but then so might a simple O visa. These do not normally require proof of funds/savings especially if you're over 50 and say you want to check the country out for retirement. Again, they come in single or multiple entry varieties. There's no need for the police or medical report and you can apply at any Thai consulate, or the Embassy, in either India or America. Consulates tend to be more user friendly.
The O visa gives you 90 days on arrival. With a single entry, that's it. With the multiple entry you can come and go as many times as you like as long as the visa's valid - it's validity will be for a year - and get another 90 days each time you re-enter.
So, the OA gives you more time and you have the re-entry permits. On the other hand the O visa will be easier to get (by that I mean less paperwork)
Hope that helps.
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Hi Sunandfun
As I have replied on another thread, my wife (Canadian) and I (Brit) obtained our one year multi OA in Saudi Arabia.
This was our country of residence at that time, no requirement to return to country of origin.
Police check, medical, sufficient funds, outside Thailand, where as for an extension after 90 days you will have to have funds inside Thailand for two months.
Yes, lots of paperwork, all duplicated and for two persons. But worth it as with a border run it gave us nearly two years "permission to stay" stamps.
I'm told It also helps if you intend to move household items, "as customs will not allow on 90 day visa", I'm sure that there must be ways round this.
As you have lots of time, my advice is to contact the Thai embassy in India now and find out the requirements.
Start putting the paperwork together about two months before you want the visa, as all letters from bank and other docs must be fairly current, I believe no more than three months.
Submit six weeks to a month before required date to give you time to sort any faults in the paperwork.
The actual time for issue of the visas took less than an hour, this may vary by local.
Hope this helps.
Chas
As I have replied on another thread, my wife (Canadian) and I (Brit) obtained our one year multi OA in Saudi Arabia.
This was our country of residence at that time, no requirement to return to country of origin.
Police check, medical, sufficient funds, outside Thailand, where as for an extension after 90 days you will have to have funds inside Thailand for two months.
Yes, lots of paperwork, all duplicated and for two persons. But worth it as with a border run it gave us nearly two years "permission to stay" stamps.
I'm told It also helps if you intend to move household items, "as customs will not allow on 90 day visa", I'm sure that there must be ways round this.
As you have lots of time, my advice is to contact the Thai embassy in India now and find out the requirements.
Start putting the paperwork together about two months before you want the visa, as all letters from bank and other docs must be fairly current, I believe no more than three months.
Submit six weeks to a month before required date to give you time to sort any faults in the paperwork.
The actual time for issue of the visas took less than an hour, this may vary by local.
Hope this helps.
Chas
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I remember that, chaspul. I reckon your residency helped you there.
However, good advice to the OP to sound out the Thai Embassy in India first. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
However, good advice to the OP to sound out the Thai Embassy in India first. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Only had a work permit and resided (lived) there, company house, to become a full resident, I would have to work there 10 years (I did 13) and convert to Islam, not a chance!!!
Sounds that OP may be in same boat living and working in India?
Chas
Sounds that OP may be in same boat living and working in India?
Chas
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Re: With a Retirement Visa Any problem with multiple entry/e
I would follow your advice and check, but believe that assuming he has a residenc visa he will be able to apply in India. Rules do of course vary from country to country, but I was working and had a residence visa in the UAE and I was able to apply for my Thai OA visa there. All the other qualifying criteria (savings in a Thai bank, medical and police clearance) still applied.lomuamart wrote:I remember that, chaspul. I reckon your residency helped you there.
However, good advice to the OP to sound out the Thai Embassy in India first. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Hi fun and sun
Already we have conflicting experiences, below is an exact copy of the relevant information taken from the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs and make no excuse for copying it in full. I used it as "My Bible" when applying and had no problems with the Thai Embassy in Riyadh.
You will find my comments in blue italics and certain relevant parts in red, maybe use it to argue any points when you apply.
Again hope this helps.
Chas
Non-Immigrant Visa “O-A” (Long Stay)
This type of visa may be issued to applicants aged 50 years and over who wish to stay in Thailand for a period of not exceeding 1 year without the intention of working.
Holder of this type of visa is allowed to stay in Thailand for 1 year. Employment of any kind is strictly prohibited.
1. Eligibility
1.1 Applicant must be aged 50 years and over (on the day of submitting application).
1.2 Applicant not prohibited from entering the Kingdom as provided by the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979).
1.3 Having no criminal record in Thailand and the country of the applicant’s nationality or residence.
1.4 Having the nationality of or residence in the country where applicant’s application is submitted. For residence, read living, having an address there, full or most of the time, its not citizenship, natuarlisation, or having dual passports.
1.5 Not having prohibitive diseases ( Leprosy, Tuberculosis, drug addiction, Elephantiasis, third phase of Syphilis) as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No. 14 B.E. 2535.
2. Required Documents
- Passport with validity of not less than 18 months.
- 3 copies of completed visa application forms. Download from web.
- 3 passport-sized photos (4 x 6 cm) of the applicant taken within the past six months.
- A personal data form. Could not find on web, obtained from Embassy, asks for lots of maybe irrelevant info like fathers date of birth although he has been deceased for 20 years. Reason for wanting visa, where will you be staying?
- A copy of bank statement showing a deposit of the amount equal to and not less than 800,000 Baht or an income certificate (an original copy) with a monthly income of not less than 65,000 Baht, or a deposit account plus a monthly income totalling not less than 800,000 Baht. "Equal to" means that this does not have to be in Thai Baht in Thailand, the only time you need it here is when wanting an extension, see last paragraph. This is the only time "in Thailand" is mentioned.
- In the case of submitting a bank statement, a letter of guarantee from the bank (an original copy) is required. All HSBC Jersey would give me was a letter saying that the bank statements were true copies, this was enough. This letter and the certificate of income is good for 2 applicants as long as accompanied by marriage certificate. Ask bank for 2 letters as original copies on each application.
- A letter of verification issued from the country of his or her nationality or residence stating that the applicant has no criminal record (verification shall be valid for not more than three months and should be notarised by notary organs or the applicant’s diplomatic or consular mission). Lots of mony for the Brit Embassy.
- A medical certificate issued from the country where the application is submitted, showing no prohibitive diseases as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No.14 (B.E. 2535) (certificate shall be valid for not more than three months and should be notarised by notary organs or the applicant’s diplomatic or consular mission). More money for Brit Embassy, Canadians did not charge. Copy of format form can be found on UK consular web site, very easy to change to relevant country.
- In the case where the accompanying spouse is not eligible to apply for the Category ‘O-A’ (Long Stay) visa, he or she will be considered for temporary stay under Category ‘O’ visa. A marriage certificate must be provided as evidence and should be notarised by notary organs or by the applicant’s diplomatic or consular mission.
3. Channels to submit application
Applicant may submit their application at the Royal Thai embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General in their home/residence country or at the Office of the Immigration Bureau in Thailand located onGovernment Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889.
4. Visa fee
5,000 Baht for multiple entries
5. Recommendations for foreigners with Non-Immigrant Visa “O-A” (Long Stay) while staying in the Kingdom
5.1 Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry.
Officaily 24 hour reporting is required to let local immigration know you are in the area and where you will be staying. Hotels carry this out for you, if you have your own property it's your responsibility. Passports, house book and another form from local immigration.
5.2 At the end of the 90-day stay , the foreigner must report to the immigration officer in his or her residence area and report again every 90 days during his or her stay in Thailand. The foreigner may report to the police station if there is no immigration office in his or her residence area.
Form TM 47 can be found on immigration web site, fill out address, passport, immigration card number and save a relevant copy for each person in "My Docs" or somewhere you can find it. Next 90 days change date, print and sign it, too easy.
5.3 Foreigner may report to the competent authority by post and should provide the following:
- A report form (Tor Mor 47).
- A copy of passport pages showing the foreigner’s photo, personal details, and the latest arrival visa stamp.
- A copy of the previous receipt of acknowledgement.
- A self-addressed envelope with postage affixed.
Such documents must be sent to the Immigration Division 1, 120 Moo 3, Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210 and must be submitted 7 days before the end of every 90-day period. A receipt of acknowledgement will be given and should be used for future correspondence.
I have never used this method, as Hua Hin Immigration very close.
Before the year is out and the visa expires, do a border run, we used Andeman Club, about 6 days before visa expired. This will give you the all important permission to stay stamp for another year. Exit re-entry visas will have to be purchased from immigration during this year should you wish to leave.
5.4 Foreigner who wishes to extend his or her stay shall submit a request for extension of stay at the Office of the Immigration Bureau with documented evidence of money transfer or a deposit account in Thailand or an income certificate showing an amount of not less than 800,000 Baht or an income certificate plus a deposit account showing a total amount of not less than 800,000 Baht. A one-year extension of stay shall be granted at the discretion of the immigration officer to the foreigner as long as he or she meets the above requirements.
Already we have conflicting experiences, below is an exact copy of the relevant information taken from the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs and make no excuse for copying it in full. I used it as "My Bible" when applying and had no problems with the Thai Embassy in Riyadh.
You will find my comments in blue italics and certain relevant parts in red, maybe use it to argue any points when you apply.
Again hope this helps.
Chas
Non-Immigrant Visa “O-A” (Long Stay)
This type of visa may be issued to applicants aged 50 years and over who wish to stay in Thailand for a period of not exceeding 1 year without the intention of working.
Holder of this type of visa is allowed to stay in Thailand for 1 year. Employment of any kind is strictly prohibited.
1. Eligibility
1.1 Applicant must be aged 50 years and over (on the day of submitting application).
1.2 Applicant not prohibited from entering the Kingdom as provided by the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979).
1.3 Having no criminal record in Thailand and the country of the applicant’s nationality or residence.
1.4 Having the nationality of or residence in the country where applicant’s application is submitted. For residence, read living, having an address there, full or most of the time, its not citizenship, natuarlisation, or having dual passports.
1.5 Not having prohibitive diseases ( Leprosy, Tuberculosis, drug addiction, Elephantiasis, third phase of Syphilis) as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No. 14 B.E. 2535.
2. Required Documents
- Passport with validity of not less than 18 months.
- 3 copies of completed visa application forms. Download from web.
- 3 passport-sized photos (4 x 6 cm) of the applicant taken within the past six months.
- A personal data form. Could not find on web, obtained from Embassy, asks for lots of maybe irrelevant info like fathers date of birth although he has been deceased for 20 years. Reason for wanting visa, where will you be staying?
- A copy of bank statement showing a deposit of the amount equal to and not less than 800,000 Baht or an income certificate (an original copy) with a monthly income of not less than 65,000 Baht, or a deposit account plus a monthly income totalling not less than 800,000 Baht. "Equal to" means that this does not have to be in Thai Baht in Thailand, the only time you need it here is when wanting an extension, see last paragraph. This is the only time "in Thailand" is mentioned.
- In the case of submitting a bank statement, a letter of guarantee from the bank (an original copy) is required. All HSBC Jersey would give me was a letter saying that the bank statements were true copies, this was enough. This letter and the certificate of income is good for 2 applicants as long as accompanied by marriage certificate. Ask bank for 2 letters as original copies on each application.
- A letter of verification issued from the country of his or her nationality or residence stating that the applicant has no criminal record (verification shall be valid for not more than three months and should be notarised by notary organs or the applicant’s diplomatic or consular mission). Lots of mony for the Brit Embassy.
- A medical certificate issued from the country where the application is submitted, showing no prohibitive diseases as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No.14 (B.E. 2535) (certificate shall be valid for not more than three months and should be notarised by notary organs or the applicant’s diplomatic or consular mission). More money for Brit Embassy, Canadians did not charge. Copy of format form can be found on UK consular web site, very easy to change to relevant country.
- In the case where the accompanying spouse is not eligible to apply for the Category ‘O-A’ (Long Stay) visa, he or she will be considered for temporary stay under Category ‘O’ visa. A marriage certificate must be provided as evidence and should be notarised by notary organs or by the applicant’s diplomatic or consular mission.
3. Channels to submit application
Applicant may submit their application at the Royal Thai embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General in their home/residence country or at the Office of the Immigration Bureau in Thailand located onGovernment Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889.
4. Visa fee
5,000 Baht for multiple entries
5. Recommendations for foreigners with Non-Immigrant Visa “O-A” (Long Stay) while staying in the Kingdom
5.1 Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry.
Officaily 24 hour reporting is required to let local immigration know you are in the area and where you will be staying. Hotels carry this out for you, if you have your own property it's your responsibility. Passports, house book and another form from local immigration.
5.2 At the end of the 90-day stay , the foreigner must report to the immigration officer in his or her residence area and report again every 90 days during his or her stay in Thailand. The foreigner may report to the police station if there is no immigration office in his or her residence area.
Form TM 47 can be found on immigration web site, fill out address, passport, immigration card number and save a relevant copy for each person in "My Docs" or somewhere you can find it. Next 90 days change date, print and sign it, too easy.
5.3 Foreigner may report to the competent authority by post and should provide the following:
- A report form (Tor Mor 47).
- A copy of passport pages showing the foreigner’s photo, personal details, and the latest arrival visa stamp.
- A copy of the previous receipt of acknowledgement.
- A self-addressed envelope with postage affixed.
Such documents must be sent to the Immigration Division 1, 120 Moo 3, Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210 and must be submitted 7 days before the end of every 90-day period. A receipt of acknowledgement will be given and should be used for future correspondence.
I have never used this method, as Hua Hin Immigration very close.
Before the year is out and the visa expires, do a border run, we used Andeman Club, about 6 days before visa expired. This will give you the all important permission to stay stamp for another year. Exit re-entry visas will have to be purchased from immigration during this year should you wish to leave.
5.4 Foreigner who wishes to extend his or her stay shall submit a request for extension of stay at the Office of the Immigration Bureau with documented evidence of money transfer or a deposit account in Thailand or an income certificate showing an amount of not less than 800,000 Baht or an income certificate plus a deposit account showing a total amount of not less than 800,000 Baht. A one-year extension of stay shall be granted at the discretion of the immigration officer to the foreigner as long as he or she meets the above requirements.
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Thanks, I went to the Thai Embassy in India and I can apply here. All of the above is VERY helpful. THANK YOU ALL!
They had no idea what a "personal data form" was. No surprise. I will give what they are asking for and hope the Rules don't change when I apply.
They had no idea what a "personal data form" was. No surprise. I will give what they are asking for and hope the Rules don't change when I apply.
I wouldn't have to manage my anger if people could learn to mange their stupidity!
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hi, l went to thai consulate in ny on some matter for my wife last month. started talking to the man at counter. he said he could give me a visa for marriage thier. would this be a good way to start
then switch to retierment visa after a year
then switch to retierment visa after a year
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I assume you're married to a Thai? That being the case, then you'd be eligible for a non O visa on the basis of marriage and by the sound of things NY are willing to issue a multi-entry as you say it would be good for a year. You'll have to exit Thailand every 90 days (just a day run to the nearest border) until you extend that visa for a year within Thailand. You can extend during the last 30 days of any 90 day entry.
You'd again be eligible for the extension on the basis of marriage, but if you also meet the age and financial requirements for it on the basis of retirement then Imm will push you towards the latter as it involves less work.
You'd again be eligible for the extension on the basis of marriage, but if you also meet the age and financial requirements for it on the basis of retirement then Imm will push you towards the latter as it involves less work.
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Why play games? If you meet the requirements go for the retirement visa straight away. Get it over, move on and enjoy life here. You can get multiple entry visa any time once your in the country.
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I'd agree with that. However moose 961 decides to apply for the non O visa in NY dosn't really matter - marriage or researching retirement (over 50 years old). The important thing is to get the O visa which saves the hassle of upgrading a tourist visa or even 30 day visa exempt stamp to an O at Imm here.
If he's going to apply for the annual extension here on the basis of savings in a Thai bank account and hasn't got things ready on arrival, the multi-entry non O gives him the time to do so.
If that's the case, once the finances are sorted out, certainly apply for the retirement or marriage extension (sounds like he'll qualify for retirement) as soon as wanted. There's no need to wait a year for the O visa to expire. Apply within the last 30 days of any 90 day entry. Then there's no need for border runs every 90 days and he can relax.
If he wants to travel out of the country, then simply get a re-entry permit from Imm (single 1,000 THB, multiple 3,800THB).
If he's going to apply for the annual extension here on the basis of savings in a Thai bank account and hasn't got things ready on arrival, the multi-entry non O gives him the time to do so.
If that's the case, once the finances are sorted out, certainly apply for the retirement or marriage extension (sounds like he'll qualify for retirement) as soon as wanted. There's no need to wait a year for the O visa to expire. Apply within the last 30 days of any 90 day entry. Then there's no need for border runs every 90 days and he can relax.
If he wants to travel out of the country, then simply get a re-entry permit from Imm (single 1,000 THB, multiple 3,800THB).
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yes luma i'm married with a thai. you mentioned 90 day border runs the agent said 90 day reports
Re: With a Retirement Visa Any problem with multiple entry/e
When you get here, you'll be on a visa and if a Non Immigrant O, given 90 days permitted to stay on arrival. If the visa is multiple entry, then it's good for a year but you must exit Thailand every 90 days, or less, to activate another 90 days on re-entry. You can do this as many times as you like as long as the visa remains valid. As you're never here for longer than 90 days in a row, there's no need to report.
Reporting becomes necessary when you have obtained an annual extension to the visa here in Thailand. Then, as you're permitted to stay for a year, you need to report to local Imm every 90 days.
Unless, NY were talking about a Non Imm OA visa. This is different in as much as you'll get a one year permitted to stay stamp on entry. Then there's no need to exit but there is a need to do 90 day reports. This type of visa is commonly referred to as a retirement visa. The fact that you're married to a Thai dosn't get you it. You must be over 50, prove your finances and get a medical and police report. Normally, these can only be got at the Thai Embassy in your home country but you say that NY is a consulate.
Maybe they have the authority to grant? It would help to have clarification of whether the visa will be O or OA.
Reporting becomes necessary when you have obtained an annual extension to the visa here in Thailand. Then, as you're permitted to stay for a year, you need to report to local Imm every 90 days.
Unless, NY were talking about a Non Imm OA visa. This is different in as much as you'll get a one year permitted to stay stamp on entry. Then there's no need to exit but there is a need to do 90 day reports. This type of visa is commonly referred to as a retirement visa. The fact that you're married to a Thai dosn't get you it. You must be over 50, prove your finances and get a medical and police report. Normally, these can only be got at the Thai Embassy in your home country but you say that NY is a consulate.
Maybe they have the authority to grant? It would help to have clarification of whether the visa will be O or OA.