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STEVE G wrote:If that is the case, shouldn't we be working out the risks and ramifications of acting or not acting instead of denying it is happening?
As I sit here now, I can see a road full of large gas-guzzling BMW's and the like; would a switch to smaller more efficient cars really be all that risky considering the extreme weather we could soon be facing? Would installing solar panels be worse than a tornado?
Before I answer can you tell me how many credits you have bought to offset your own emissions? How about you MrS? Are you walking the walk or just talking the talk?

Come on. What's your carbon footprint? :thumb:
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I think we are more at risk from global warming from all the hot air emanating from Mr Plum's :lach:
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Before I answer....
It reminds me of watching Tony Blair on Newsnight!
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STEVE G wrote:
Before I answer....
It reminds me of watching Tony Blair on Newsnight!
I wouldn't watch him on any night.

Come now. If you feel strongly about this issue, which you appear to, what have you done to reduce your own emissions?
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Come now. If you feel strongly about this issue, which you appear to, what have you done to reduce your own emissions?
I calculate that I cycled in the region of 8,000 km last year, purely for transport, now back to my question.
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STEVE G wrote:
Come now. If you feel strongly about this issue, which you appear to, what have you done to reduce your own emissions?
I calculate that I cycled in the region of 8,000 km last year, purely for transport, now back to my question.
I understand the rush but not so fast. How many miles do you drive annually? How may flights have you taken in the last 10 years? How eco-friendly is your home? Do you eat local food or buy local products? Or purchase imported?

I've said before, I'm quite happy to see new technologies phase out fossil fuels. I would love some genuine moves to rein in polluting industries and tackle the problem at SOURCE rather than tax and criminalize the end consumer.
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MrP, you just nailed it. The folks who are the loudest in protest about global warming are generally the folks who expect everyone else to do something about it and ignore it in their own actions (Al Gore and Michael Moore being two prime examples, not to mention all those Hollywood types who've jumped on the bandwagon while they own several mansions and jet around the world in their private planes).
My brain is like an Internet browser; 12 tabs are open and 5 of them are not responding, there's a GIF playing in an endless loop,... and where is that annoying music coming from?
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I've said before, I'm quite happy to see new technologies phase out fossil fuels.
Certainly everyones carbon footprint would be much lower now if energy providers had put as much effort into providing alternatives as they have into denying that there is even a problem over the last several decades.
Many ideas for alternative fuels aren't exactly new:

"The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today. But such oils may become in course of time as important as petroleum and the coal tar products of the present time."

Dr. Rudolf Diesel, 1912.
(He had demonstrated a diesel engine running on biofuel as far back as 1900.)
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STEVE G wrote:It reminds me of watching Tony Blair on Newsnight!
You said it.

Again. What is your 'carbon footprint?' Have you worked it out? If not, why not?

Do you have solar panels in your home? Goats providing milk? Are all your clothes non-synthetic? Are you capturing the methane in your john and converting it to gas to boil your spuds? Do you buy organic, local food? Why are you still working in Luxembourg when you fel so strongly about this issue and know your travel is polluting? Are you avoiding products produced from oil... plastics, medicines, transport, etc.. etc..? Is your rubbish bio-degradable? What eco-products do you use? Are you canvassing your local MP? Lobbying Parliament? Complaining to stores about the excess packaging? Cleaning up the beaches? Recycling?

What are you doing besides evangelising?

It can't be that pressing, or important. Can it?
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You obviously think you're on a winner here, Mr P, since you're hammering the point into submission.

Be careful with this petard, as Someone Just might be looking at every issue you've ever debated to see if you put your money where your mouth is. :laugh:
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dtaai-maai wrote:You obviously think you're on a winner here, Mr P, since you're hammering the point into submission.
Asking twice is hardly 'hammering'. It's a valid question. I wait to find out whether bums are swished with water or 5 layers of Andrex and if the waste water is captured for use in the organic garden?
Be careful with this petard, as Someone Just might be looking at every issue you've ever debated to see if you put your money where your mouth is.
My question is directed at Steve and MrS. They are quite capable of defending themselves.

However, as you yourself said. He can't stop.

No matter. :cheers:
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Again. What is your 'carbon footprint?' Have you worked it out? If not, why not?
As I pointed out above, it's too high due to the fact that energy providers have constantly stimied the efforts to provide alternatives by denying that there is a problem. For instance in the case of aviation, experiments in biofuels have only started recently despite the fact that the technology, and the problem, have existed for decades.
As I asked before, why would it be so risky to move to alternative fuels? Extreme weather events such as the 2010 Russian heatwave and last years floods in Thailand have caused huge amounts of damage, both human and financial. How much risk is acceptable that carrying on regardless will not soon rapidly outweigh the benefits of changing now?
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Global warming ‘hots’ up
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArti ... on=opinion

As the monsoon season approaches Thailand, farmers are not alone in watching the rolling clouds, but also factory owners and workers.

Unlike the farmers who hope for the rains to flood seedling plots, workers worry that devastating floods might follow and drown factories. The floods of 2011 inundated 250 factories, putting 200,000 people out of work and disrupting global supply chains of electronics and auto parts. As the Thai government readies plans to fight floods, foreign manufacturers aren’t taking chances, reorganising supply-chain networks and looking for alternative sites for production.

In retrospect, 26 of the 90 provinces in Thailand were seriously affected by a sheer amount of floodwaters. Many automotive-assembly plants and parts-maker factories for Honda, Toyota, Isuzu, Nissan and Ford, situated in and around Ayutthaya and Pathum Thani provinces, suffered greatly from the destructive floods, with severe effects on the world’s automotive markets. Automotive production in Thailand has certainly been affected in the near term due to the shortage of auto parts as a result of the floods, with no apparent medium- or long-term effect on the country as an automotive production hub in the region.

Almost 10 per cent of total auto parts for local production come from the country’s flood-affected regions. Toyota, Auto Alliance Thailand, Mitsubishi Motors, Nissan all depend on auto-part makers in this particular region. Frost & Sullivan, ID, reports that some of the factors likely to be considered by original equipment manufacturers in the future include increasing the stockpile in terms of auto parts and revisiting the process of just-in time production.

A new production model would entail exploring a multi-sourcing strategy that involves not only sourcing parts from different suppliers but from different regions as well – a climatic de-risking of the supply chain with original-equipment manufacturers investing in geographic locations least impacted due to natural disasters.

Manufacturers could be losing confidence in Thailand or any other locale struggling to cope with the challenges of climate change.

As analysts have anticipated, reduced supply coupled with high capital expenditures, as a result of the floods, has meant that hard-drive prices have gone up, already engendering ripple effects across the industry. Computer makers were supply-constrained and could not make as many systems as they thought they could sell. Thus, they had no choice but to raise prices on the computers they could make to meet revenue goals.

Although the floodwaters have receded, it does not mean that hard-drive makers and component manufacturers could just walk back into their fabrication plants, flip a switch and get back to work. Some facilities remained offline as companies repaired and replaced expensive manufacturing and process equipment. The concerns among foreign investors are not only on nature’s damaging floods, but also the “political floods,” with various actors in Thai politics exploiting the disaster to undermine opponents, thus delaying necessary cooperation and the speediest solution to the problem.
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So, do you drive a Prius Steve? Do you recycle everything you can? These are valid questions for someone who promotes the global warming agenda. I drive as little as possible (a full tank of gas in my Honda about once every two months). I recycle everything that is recyclable by having a couple come by every week and collect all our paper, plastic, metal, etc. I have a park around my house that creates a lot oxygen (at great expense to me to maintain it).

What do you do... it's a valid question...
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Honda what, hhf? :wink:
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