Ex-Thai PM 'to face murder charge'

[caller]

'British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said UK decided to revoke visa of ex-Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra after Thai court sentenced him to two years in jail.'

So I was right - politics. Pity they didn't use the same tactics against the many murderous thugs we shamefully gave asylum to from Africa, Yugoslavia and the 'middlle east' (loosely).

An informed opinion appears to be that the UK didn't want to have to deal with an asylum claim, so souring relationships with Thailand?

[MrPlum]

Pity they didn't use the same tactics against the many murderous thugs we shamefully gave asylum to from Africa, Yugoslavia and the 'middlle east' (loosely).

I suspect London provides a safe haven for its 'globalist' assets. But like so many 'theories', that's 'wacky', right?

[Mod Edit] Comment removed - reference to the Royal Family is strictly not permitted.

[Takiap]

Takiap i expected that responce so i am ready to answer

ARE you REALLY equating drug dealers (hurting innocent people with the filth they peddle and the damage it does to families) with people protesting after not one not two but three of their ELECTED leaders were ousted by totally undemocratic and corrupt means.

No Sarge, I have not even mentioned drug dealers. I only mentioned alleged drug dealers. According to this country's own constitution, those 2000+ people who where killed during the war on drugs were NOT drug dealers in the eyes of the law. They were never arrested, they never stood trial, and as a result, they were never convicted. I seem to recall reading somewhere that a person is innocent until proven guilty?

Now, I don't for a minute doubt that some of those who were killed were in fact dealers, but that still doesn't give constable Somchai the right to execute them. No matter what argument anyone puts forward, killing so many people, and calling it a war on drugs, was downright WRONG. So, why wasn't our wonderful Mr T held accountable? After all, the executioners were simply following his orders.


And again, all those innocent and PEACEFUL Muslim protesters who died when they were packed like sardines on the back of army lorries? The troops were only following orders......Mr T's orders.


As a side note, I don't think your pictures would make me need a puke bag.....lol. I've seen it all and a lot worse during my two years national service in SA. I guess it kinda hardens you somewhat.


PS: Mods, I can't seem to add in smileys. When I click on any of them it just takes me to the top of the page.

[Mod Edit/Test] . Seem to be working for me. Will have to wait for the techies to look at it.

Below where you post, do you have the 'Disable BBCode' or Disable smilies'. box checked?

[sargeant]

Steve G

A campaign to eradicate drug dealers by extra-judicial killing in 2003 (however popular it might have been), doesn't give you the right to shoot protesters in 2010.

Absolutely 100% correct

GLC just WHO says they were not all drug dealers surely you are not relying on Sonthi limungkol of asia times, Yellow shirt. and 15 years for fraud fame are you (actually i do agree there was a lot of skullduggery and getting even going on) however even now all this time later and you will not hear the poor bitching about it over 60% want him back they still think he did a good job
It is mostly farangs who have a problem with it i am sorry but i would have loved to see the council estate in hammersmith i lived in get the same treatment

Steve G

Which is most probably why the military Junta wasn't interested in prosecuting when they had the chance after the 2006 coup. In the case of the 2010 crackdown, the actual shooters are protected, at least under Thai law, by sweeping emergency powers that gave them immunity for just about anything. This is not the case in the War on Drugs slayings where any investigation could lead to prosecutions of the actual security services involved who were clearly acting beyond any laws.

We sure do think alike

MrP

You're funny.

thankyou its far better to be funny than to be uninteligent and ignorant

Takiap

I have not even mentioned drug dealers. I only mentioned alleged drug dealers.

LOL so every one of the 2.000 shot and killed were innocent,
I see the not getting a trial point but I WAS HERE and the drug boys were shooting back with impunity every time you see a drug bust on tv even today they are packing heat NOW I wonder what for
And while you are at it try and answer why the north and PHeu Thai areas have been battered for drugs and casinos but HH and south padipat country has seen nothing along the lines of eradicating drugs or casinos

and calling it a war on drugs, was downright WRONG. So, why wasn't our wonderful Mr T held accountable? After all, the executioners were simply following his orders.

As eradicating drugs was the kingpin to his election pledges whether you or i like it or not HE had a mandate

AGAIN i have to point out to you the reason for the red shirt protests was they wanted a new election to get rid of the UNELECTED corrupt set of thugs in power corruptly WHO HAD NO NIL NANA ZERO MANDATE for what they did

Your arguments are always going to fall as long as you continue to try to equate peaches with cauliflowers and accept Padipat was and still is as corrupt as any other party and instead just accept as i do its time for change in this country not just which lockers the same polititions use decade after decade but a change in attitude so they understand they are there to uphold law and order for all and to encompasse all Thais not just the select few or to fill their own pockets

Hopefully seeing havashit and shitheap be indicted might just might stop anybody else trying it on and that hope applies to all all repeat all politicos here

[GLCQuantum]

It is mostly farangs who have a problem with it

Hilarious Sarge. We don't even figure in the numbers as we are of such a little minority. It's the educated Thai's that believe in this funny thing called Law and Order that have a problem with it. No-one likes seeing people mowed down on the streets, pumped full of lead with no trial. Families crippled. Loved ones lost. And not a single guilty verdict heard.

LOL so every one of the 2.000 shot and killed were innocent,

I was a drug addict too at one point. Are you saying the world would be a better place if I had a few bullets in my head 3 years ago? Fortunately I didn't have a Thaksin equivalent whacking me but, instead, had good people around helping me.

The rest of your drivel I can't really understand [Mod Edit - please continue the debate without personal insults. They are uneccessary, and will result in the thread being locked] - It's hard to decipher what you are trying to say. I'm sorry but I simply can't grasp the main point.

Take a breath, put some full stops in here and there and spell correctly and I may just listen to your side of the argument.



Edit: Apologies Mods. Didn't realise that one wouldn't fly.

[GLCQuantum]

By the by Sarge... you DO realise surely that it's the Thaksin supporters. The lower rungs of the ladders, that are the drug problem in Thailand. In short - the Red shirt fanatics are the users of drugs. The crippling of communities. The cancer of the country.

EVERY single dealer I have met has been a supporter of Thaksin. "Yeah he good man", they say.

Get amongst it Sarge and you will understand. Not reporting from a sofa.



I mean to cause on offence but you seem to be missing the way it is right now. And the way it was.

[GLCQuantum]

Gonna stop now as it's thread like this and nightcrawlers that get me on my high chair. Only a couple of weeks back here no less!

Apologies to all.

[Takiap]

Sarge, maybe my view of things is somewhat slanted given that I come from South Africa. There, just like here, there is a massive divide in society. Not only in terms of wealth, but also race. In South Africa the race issue and the overwhelming difference in numbers effectively ensures a useless government will stay in power regardless. Given SA's past history, very few black South Africans will vote for a "white" party regardless of how promising that party may be. Instead, the will continue to vote for the current government simply because they're a "black" government. I can help but see some similarities here in Thailand, where the rural "reds" far outnumber the "elite". As a result, you end up with a government that basically cannot be voted out of power, regardless of whether they are doing a good job or not. BTW, I am not saying the current government is crap or any worse than previous governments. Personally, I can't say I've seen any major improvements, but that's usually the case anyway. I also realize that this is so-called democracy, which is why I'm starting to have my doubts about the democratic system. While is works for some countries, I don't think it's suitable for all countries.


Anyway, . I still don't think the ex prime minister should be charged for murder simply because he DID NOT order anyone to shoot the taxi driver in question.

[PeteC]

I don't think Democracy will work properly in any country where the language has personal pronouns classified by social status. What is the world's oldest democracy....India? They have their caste system and it's enforced, so how can it be a Democracy? Here they have people like Sondhi who openly announces that his class should have two votes to every one vote of the up-country people. Here they have people like Thaksin who openly uses the lower classes to his advantage, but those people don't seem to care as at least someone is finally paying attention to them and making them feel somewhat important for the first time in Thai history. It will all come to a head sooner or later and it will be a monumental mess when it does. Pete

[buksida]

I don't think Democracy will work properly in any country where the language has personal pronouns classified by social status. What is the world's oldest democracy....India? Here they have people like Thaksin who openly uses the lower classes to his advantage, but those people don't seem to care as at least someone is finally paying attention to them and making them feel somewhat important for the first time in Thai history. It will all come to a head sooner or later and it will be a monumental mess when it does. Pete

Those that keep harping on about democracy here are just as blinkered and ignorant as those that accept a payment for their "democratic" vote.

[MrPlum]

Apologies to all.

I don't see this as necessary. Your posts are fine, once the expletives have been deleted.

Are we in any position to point the finger, when the U.S. in particular has ended 'due process'? The NDAA, Patriot Act and assassinations of 'suspected' militants are obvious signs the Rule of Law has being abandoned in favour of ex-judicial state murder.

It is perfectly legal for a government to put down violent rebellion. I don't see how Abhisit can be held personally liable until you know who gave the actual order to fire and whether it was in self-defence? Which comes back to who fired the first shot?

Still waiting for that answer...

[buksida]

Still waiting for that answer...

In any uprising where rioters/protesters fire military grade weapons at public transport stations endangering the lives of civilians the government/military should have freedom to use lethal force.

[Spitfire]

In any uprising where rioters/protesters fire military grade weapons at public transport stations endangering the lives of civilians the government/military should have freedom to use lethal force.

That's pretty much 'par-for-the-course' everywhere. Try pulling that rubbish in the US, China, UK etc and you'd last about 5 minutes if you are lucky.

[HHADFan]

The many we still aren't quite sure who did it.

Which is most probably why the military Junta wasn't interested in prosecuting when they had the chance after the 2006 coup. In the case of the 2010 crackdown, the actual shooters are protected, at least under Thai law, by sweeping emergency powers that gave them immunity for just about anything. This is not the case in the War on Drugs slayings where any investigation could lead to prosecutions of the actual security services involved who were clearly acting beyond any laws.

(emphasis by HHADFan)

Steve, this turns out not to be totally accurate, though I thought it was, too, until I found this by accident: http://www.manager.co.th/crime/viewnews ... 0000093477

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Tha ... g_12090453

There's also a mention of this on 'the website that will not be named'. A 'good' English source is a bit difficult to find, but it seems to be attributed to AP.

[edit] Apologies, Steve, I misread your post. Obviously those involved in Thailand's war on drugs can be prosecuted. Given the comparisons between the war on drugs and the melee in Bangkok a couple of years ago, I found the links interesting.

[sargeant]

quote glc

Families crippled. Loved ones lost. And not a single guilty verdict heard.

seems that happened to red shirts and their families
HHADfans post also proves you WRONG and uninformed

I was a drug addict too at one point. Are you saying the world would be a better place if I had a few bullets in my head

quote me

i am sorry but i would have loved to see the council estate in hammersmith i lived in get the same treatment

I lived on an estate riddled with crack heads my wife her niece and her cousin all female all mugged (and all HURT) within yards of the blocks front doors i sure as hell am not taking any lectures from an addict read my quote above and get the inference if the cap fits wear it
quote glc

By the by Sarge... you DO realise surely that it's the Thaksin supporters. The lower rungs of the ladders, that are the drug problem in Thailand. In short - the Red shirt fanatics are the users of drugs. The crippling of communities. The cancer of the country.

shear addict hallucination of course the donkeys and pushers are from the poor section of society but the drugs have absolutely nothing to do with red shirts it WAS THE POOR who voted Thaksin into power ON HIS PLEDGE to rid the streets of drugs
My gripe and first question to him would be why was he and his police unable to nail the Mr bigs

Anyway, . I still don't think the ex prime minister should be charged for murder simply because he DID NOT order anyone to shoot the taxi driver in question.

On that piece of logic hitler and saddam are innocent

quote pete

Here they have people like Thaksin who openly uses the lower classes to his advantage, but those people don't seem to care as at least someone is finally paying attention to them and making them feel somewhat important for the first time in Thai history.

thankyou pete that is exactely where i am coming from and please bear in mind they are the overwhelming majority which unless i am mistaken means democracy (majority rule ring a bell)

I agree it is not a democracy yet but i hope the realisaton by the other parties that they will remain in a political wilderness unless they change their policies stop corruption themselves and dispence the scales of justice fairly and evenly and encompasse the whole population instead of the corrupt few will finally dawn on them and if it doesnt it blows the BS out of people that say the poor are uninteligent

God i get tired of trying to show i am even handed

and for the man who is waiting for this answer because he has nothing between the ears to work it out for himself i believe very strongly the agent provocateurs (NINJAS) did almost all the firing and certainly the first shots. I also have information that says categorically they were NOT with the red shirts or the military