How to recover from an "up to you" faux pas?

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Re: How to recover from an "up to you" faux pas?

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Spitfire wrote:Yeah....easy on the melodrama. Would have been good to ask the question 'Why?' when she said don't say it in the first place.
I agree. And easy on the overanalysis of other people's relationships, especially when you don't know them.

My wife has never told me not to use the phrase 'up to you', and it is a phrase that has had a fair bit of use, though not always in exactly those words. In fact, it would probably be in Thai more often than in English. 'You decide' gets the same airtime.
Mostly for fairly trivial stuff like what kind of restaurant to go to or whether to go shopping in the morning or afternoon.

I don't use it much myself any more, because she invariably turns it round on me. All of the above analysis had me wondering if this was a cultural thing, so I asked her about it. Apparently not.

According to my beloved, if she decides on a restaurant and I don't like the food, I get grumpy and fidgety. If she decides (for example) to go shopping early and the roads are packed solid, I get grumpy and say something along the lines of "I knew we should have gone later".

And that is why she prefers to leave such decisions to me. :laugh:
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Re: How to recover from an "up to you" faux pas?

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Rookie,

I agree that this is a "drama." However, saying that does not mean it is not serious. This kind of overreaction to your mistake is indicative of manipulation. You should confront her in a serious but non-threatening manner. Let her know that you meant nothing disrespectful and offer an apology for hurting her. Once you have done that, let her know that her reaction has hurt you and is disrespectful in that it shows a lack of trust and an unwillingness to have a reasonable adult discussion about it. "Respect" comes from being open and honest about feelings and culture. If she cannot do that, you will find this sort of behavior will continue and even escalate. It hurts to be treated this way and you must let her see that you can control and calmly explore the cause of your hurt and expect her to do the same. Let her know that the obly answer is to look at what has happened and each of you take responsibility for you piece of it.

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Re: How to recover from an "up to you" faux pas?

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Clinton, I just re-read your op and noticed that you've only been married for 10 months. I've been married to a Thai lady for 17 years and for the first few years (3 to 4) we had similar problems/misunderstandings. I always tried to calmly talk it out but she just wanted to continue fighting or give me the silent treatment (which was frustrating because most of the time I didn't even know what I did wrong and she wouldn't tell me). I was patient and remained calm refusing to fight, which sometimes made her even angrier, but finally she started to listen and realize that an immediate open honest discussion of any problem or misunderstanding was better than fighting over (mostly) small things.

If I had been younger and had not been so head over heels for her I may have given up, but having already failed at marriage twice in my life, I was determined to work through it and did even though it took longer than I would have liked. Since those early years our relationship has been great and we rarely have any disagreements over anything (other than financial issues, she's a shopaholic :D ). When we do, now we calmly sit and talk it over so that we understand each others feelings. There is sometimes not a resolution, but at least we don't fight and just agree to disagree and put it behind us quickly and get on with what's good about our relationship. I also think it helped that she lived in my country for half of our marriage so that she fully understands the cultural differences under which we grew up.
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Re: How to recover from an "up to you" faux pas?

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My wife doesn't like ”up to you” much either and she has been known to get quite angry if I keep repeating it as an answer to the same question. What she wants is my opinion or an outright ”yes, OK ” or maybe a flat out ”No!” - mind reading skills required here. Of course, if my opinion is the wrong opinion I get in trouble anyway. I just asked her about this and she said that ”up to you”, as far as she's concerned anyway, shows that I don't care what she decides - and that is BAD.
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Re: How to recover from an "up to you" faux pas?

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Get rid. Remember the happy times. Go out with your mates and get some fresh and if the new one ever behaves like that send her on her way
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Re: How to recover from an "up to you" faux pas?

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obiwan wrote:Get rid. Remember the happy times. Go out with your mates and get some fresh and if the new one ever behaves like that send her on her way
It's quite obvious that you trained as a marriage councillor. Else you may have missed your true vocation...

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Bristolian wrote:
obiwan wrote:Get rid. Remember the happy times. Go out with your mates and get some fresh and if the new one ever behaves like that send her on her way
It's quite obvious that you trained as a marriage councillor. Else you may have missed your true vocation...

"The Force" May have skipped a generation :D
Just advice as requested............he can take it or leave it. Got to respect yourself or she wont
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