UHT Vana Nava Hua Hin City FC 2015

[Davy B]

I have just read what Sabai Sabai has said and I feel, although some people may disagree, that it mirrors what I have been saying. He actually quoted things that I have actually said. I had mentioned previously that we needed to be more tactically aware and hopefully this will be more apparent when we play the better teams in our Division. It is very much horses for courses!! We have to be able to defend when we have to and attack when the opportunity arises and we are doing that a lot better now. I have no doubt that all of us are 100% behind the team but I agree with Big Boy that the bullshit should stop. It only started when it was reported in the press and then all the excuses started when the changes didn`t happen when they were expected. Only when they have something definite and set in concrete to report should anything even be mentioned. End of story. I too, was at the Prachuap game and it was very disappointing and I left early only to see two further goals going in before I had left the car park. It is changed days now and I have to say that even though there was nobody else present when I first talked to Ricardo on Sunday I am quietly confident that what he said to me we will see very exciting times at our football club in the coming months. As Sabai Sabai has said, and I use one of his quotes - Onwards and Upwards!!

[Sabai Sabai]

I have just read what Sabai Sabai has said and I feel, although some people may disagree, that it mirrors what I have been saying. He actually quoted things that I have actually said.

I'm not actually sure that I actually did, can you give me an actual example?!

I was singling BB out somewhat by quoting him, but you yourself are often very pessimistic, you seem terrified we are going to be(or already are) turned into "a laughing stock"??!! I've lost count of the amount of times I've read that!

Don't particularly want it to turn into a he said, she said bickering kind of thread. I was just trying to inject some sadly lacking positivity!!

[Big Boy]

sabai sabai, if you're going to quote me, please keep it in context. Missing out the ' (I hate to say this, and hope I'm wrong)' at the beginning gives it a completely different meaning. As far as I'm concerned the jury is out on why our twins (who IMHO have really transformed the team) make such remarkable recoveries after apparently horrific fouls that sends them head over heels. I am hoping it is just South American exaggeration of a foul. However, my experience of Thai refereeing is that it is often biased against Farang players, and I fear exaggeration will result in the referee waving play on for a dive, even when a foul has been comitted - crying wolf is the term I think I'm looking for. We've already seen referees wave play on for this, after what appears to be career threatening fouls. I've been too far away to judge, but the referee is not always giving it.

I'm not saying everything is all perfect and rosy, indeed at half time it wasn't looking great

I think on this we agree. I hate kick and rush football, so maybe my harsh words are personal to me, although my feelings were felt by the others in my car after the game. We have obtained some of the Grade A players that we were promised, and things are starting to come together really well. I am sure we haven't brought these guys to Hua Hin to play kick and rush.

The one thing everybody seems to agree upon is that the game was finely balanced on a knife edge until Seeker gifted us our 2nd goal. After that goal, Hua Hin returned to playing excellent football. With the team we have, why were we so cautious? What would have happened if Seeker had managed an equaliser? I don't care what anybody says, Hua Hin are better than what we saw for the first 50 minutes Sunday. Why didn't they show it? I still fear (and I'm happy to be proved wrong) that something happened in the team's coaching to disrupt the previous week's performance.

I was at that game and everyone agreed 5-1 was a very harsh scoreline

Yes, I thought it was harsh, but a 5-1 defeat is a 5-1 defeat regardless of how you say it. We all know how highly I rate Lampty and Stephens, but they were made to look amateur playing those tactics against a decent side. Does it really matter at what stage of the game the goals were scored, they were scored. Our attack was useless that day because we faffed about so much passing amongst the defenders, whenever we decided to move forward we were attacking 11 defenders because Prachuab had all of the time in the world to regroup. OK, I hope with Lucus, Andre and Anucha to worry about, the problem mightn't be as dire - any one of them is capable of creating a goal from nothing (Andre and Lucas proved that with Sunday's first). However, if they got the service earlier/regularly, as they did in the last 40 minutes, it could have been a cricket score.

Virtually from the kick it was clear that this game was not going to be easy.

Maybe this is where we differ. It was not clear to me, what did I miss please? What happened to the 'this game was not going to be easy' in the last 40 minutes? Hua Hin started playing proper football, and were brilliant. I have already stated that I was expecting a 6-0 victory, and nothing I saw from the opposition made me change my mind - even at half time.

You can't play the same tactics every week against different teams, given we won 6-0 it was clearly very effective at the weekend

No, you are correct. However, to me, kick and rush is a last resort used by teams without the ability to play proper football. This is a tactic Plymouth Argyle have had to adopt many times when struggling to survive after their financial difficulties. Hua Hin City are better than that. They have some excellent footballers for the division they are playing in. Why resort to kick and rush when they are more than capable of so much more?

Based on your synopsis, you were feeling pretty down at full time!

Another quote you failed to show :

I loved today's scoreline

We are at the start of a long and exciting journey, there will be changes, there will be ups and downs along the way I'm sure, but we do all need to get behind the team and give them the support they deserve!

I am 150% behind that statement. However, they need somebody to manage the project properly (apologies if they have, but it is not coming across that way). It must also be understood that you won't please all of the people all of the time - our last game is a prime example - I was pleased for about 45% of that game, others were over the moon. We all have different expectations.

I have no doubt that all of us are 100% behind the team but I agree with Big Boy that the bullshit should stop. It only started when it was reported in the press and then all the excuses started when the changes didn`t happen when they were expected. Only when they have something definite and set in concrete to report should anything even be mentioned.

This is easily resolved - project management. It is a huge project, and should be treated accordingly. Do we have a plan, or is it a dream in somebody's head at the moment? No problem if it's a dream - going to the moon was a dream as well.

Get the visionaries to sit in a locked room and commit everything to a plan. Then decide what must be achieved, what would be nice to achieve and what is currently in the clouds. Formulate the visions into a proper plan, and allocate resources. From that, people could talk with authority. NEXT WEEK scenarios would be a thing of the past. Some things would move to the right, while others may be achieved early, but we'd all know where we were going. Such a plan would have to be taken seriously.

[ste860]

running any business in thailand is very difficult so i would imagine a football club with farangs involved has to face many hurdles , so maybe it the paperwork (work permits) that cause the delays ,eg managers surly there's hundreds of qualified managers/coaches in thailand so its not easy hiring a farang ,so the paper work must be a nightmare . hence the many delays etc

so its best to keep a cool head and wait ,if it happens all good but if not there's little anyone can do

[Big Boy]

I agree 100%. It is far too big a task for somebody without the necessary project management skills. They need to create and (maybe) publish that plan, after full involvement of all stakeholders. I'd suggest just publish key milestones. I keep hearing this snippet and that snippet, but there's never any more meat on the bone other than a pipe dream.

I've been involved in project management for many years, but wouldn't want to tackle this baby - far too complicated. Many, many roads to go down. Even producing the club's vision and mission statements could prove problematic - does anybody know if we have such beasts?

They could produce a high level plan fairly quickly, but the devil is in the detail. Months of very technical work. Certainly somebody flying by the seat of his pants is destined to failure.

[Davy B]

I would just like to comment on a couple of items. Sabai sabai wanted an example of quoting things that I had already said. At 9.35am today I made a comment "You can only beat what is put in front of you no matter how good or bad they are" which he also said at 12.35!! My comments regarding ''total shambles'' and ''being made to be a laughing stock'' was directed at the people who have told us in chats before, during and after matches that "something will happen next week'' and when this doesn`t happen we are left looking like idiots. I had another example of this from a chat before the game on Sunday with Ricardo. I asked him about anything that was in the pipeline. He told me he was ''expecting some arrival that very morning, but it didn`t happen but it was likely now going to be Monday''. Well, not for the first time, I have been left biting my tongue when it still has not happened by 9pm on Tuesday night. Why does he tell anybody anything when everything appears to be so uncertain. It just does not make sense. He mentioned for the second time in recent chats about the Academy and who or what is going to happen with that and also another stadium that is going to be built on the by-pass. I am beginning to wonder if he has told only me these things and wondering how long I can keep my mouth shut or is he waiting for me to bite my tongue off completely!! Will any of it be actually turn out to be true or is it all a pipe dream!!!! Who knows??

[ste860]

another idea is to stop asking ricardo whats happening maybe he gets fed up of the constant questions ,then there can be no more false dawns he cant get it right all the time and the end result he might not be even have the final say ,

you dont hear the chairman of any big club saying things in the media or to fans whats going on behind closed doors ,so just sit back and enjoy the ride ,

i think the best thing on sunday was the old thai chap doing his impression of the headed goal and dancing with the cheer leaders , thing like that are what footballs about having a laugh with your mates ,

just let the managers manage and treat it in a fun way ,its not like it breaks the bank to go,if you were paying premiership prices the i think your entitled to moan , but this is a third division thai league

[Davy B]

Good thinking. Well said and point taken. I want a front row seat on the Joyride though!!!
The thai guy that you mention is a real character. Last season at a couple of games a few of my friends thought he was the actual manager because he was more vocal and enthusiastic than the real manager. We miss him when he isn`t there. At a game last season my sides were splitting when the guys in the band game him the big megaphone. Hysterical!!!

[Big Boy]

I agree entirely ste860.

This entire fiasco takes me back to when I was just 7 years old. They built an electricity sub-station close to my home.

Being a 'normal' boy, I was drawn to the building site. The builders there were telling me wonderful stories of why the sub-station was being built. I was told one of the things was a cinema next door to my house. Of course, I was totally taken in, and despite being told 'in confidence', I took the bait, hook, line and sinker and told everybody.

The builders must have had a real laugh at my expense.

[Big Boy]

NEXT MATCH
SUN APR 5,2015
J.W.POLICE FC vs VANA NAVA HUAHINCITY
@ Bunyajinda Stadium 5PM

To avoid the confusion of last time for travelling supporters, buses will be leaving the temple at 11:30. TIT, and these things are subject to change, so I will update this thread with departure time if it changes.

[Davy B]

Can you state the co-ordinates of the stadiums for the away games for the sat-nav users. I found a stadium on Google Earth for Bunyajinda Stadium, home of JW Police FC, but I am not sure it is the right one. Cheers!!

[Sabai Sabai]

I have just read what Sabai Sabai has said and I feel, although some people may disagree, that it mirrors what I have been saying. He actually quoted things that I have actually said.

At 9.35am today I made a comment "You can only beat what is put in front of you no matter how good or bad they are" which he also said at 12.35!!

OK Davy B, I'll give you that one, we did both make the same small factual observation, although you should have said something not things The way you worded it had me confused!

sabai sabai, if you're going to quote me, please keep it in context. Missing out the ' (I hate to say this, and hope I'm wrong)' at the beginning gives it a completely different meaning.

I'm not sure saying "I hate to say this, and hope I'm wrong" changes the meaning at all! You still went on to say what you said regardless of whether you hope you're right or wrong surely?! I was merely giving my opinion in response to yours, which is what the forum is all about!

sabai sabai wrote:
Virtually from the kick it was clear that this game was not going to be easy.

I never said that!

sabai sabai wrote:
You can't play the same tactics every week against different teams, given we won 6-0 it was clearly very effective at the weekend

No, you are correct. However, to me, kick and rush is a last resort used by teams without the ability to play proper football. This is a tactic Plymouth Argyle have had to adopt many times when struggling to survive after their financial difficulties. Hua Hin City are better than that. They have some excellent footballers for the division they are playing in. Why resort to kick and rush when they are more than capable of so much more?

I understand where you're coming from to an extent, however it's difficult to question the tactics when said tactics have resulted in a 6-0 win.

sabai sabai wrote:
Based on your synopsis, you were feeling pretty down at full time!

Another quote you failed to show :
Big Boy wrote:
I loved today's scoreline

If I'd quoted your full post, it would still comes across as pretty negative, despite the "I loved today's scoreline". It was a tongue in cheek remark by myself admittedly

another idea is to stop asking ricardo whats happening maybe he gets fed up of the constant questions ,then there can be no more false dawns he cant get it right all the time and the end result he might not be even have the final say ,

you dont hear the chairman of any big club saying things in the media or to fans whats going on behind closed doors ,so just sit back and enjoy the ride ,

I agree, clearly the management at the club have vision/plans/ambition/pipedreams call it what you will, I'm sure this club is going to grow and improve given time. The new guys are just in the door, things are not going to happen overnight, especially given TIT. Sit back and enjoy the ride indeed!

[Big Boy]

I think we've done this discussion on Sunday's result to death, but I feel I have to qualify one thing:

sabai sabai wrote:
Virtually from the kick it was clear that this game was not going to be easy.

I never said that!

I am very sorry That quote was in fact by Geordie Dancer

[Big Boy]

Can you state the co-ordinates of the stadiums for the away games for the sat-nav users. I found a stadium on Google Earth for Bunyajinda Stadium, home of JW Police FC, but I am not sure it is the right one. Cheers!!

By my reckoning, the GPS co-ords for Sunday are

13 degrees 51' 59.54 N; 100 degrees 34' 38.82 E

If there is anybody else out there who would like to travel on Sunday, using the official club transport, please PM me, and I will advise how to book.

[Big Boy]

13 degrees 51' 59.54 N; 100 degrees 34' 38.82 E

Is that the same as you found Davy?