Seasteading home 'violates Thai sovereignty'

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Seasteading home 'violates Thai sovereignty'

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Maybe they were growing mushrooms? Not sure how being in international waters "violates Thai sovereignty"? They claim that the structure is beyond the internationally recognised 12 miles limit.
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Seasteading home 'violates Thai sovereignty'

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/genera ... overeignty

Authorities have raided a floating home in the Andaman Sea belonging to an American man and his Thai partner who sought to be pioneers in the "seasteading" movement, which promotes living in international waters to be free of any nation's laws.

The Royal Thai Navy said Chad Elwartowski and Supranee Thepdet endangered national sovereignty, an offence punishable by life imprisonment or death.

It filed a complaint against them with police in Phuket. Thai authorities said they have revoked Mr Elwartowski's visa.
Mr Elwartowski said in an email Thursday that he believes he and Supranee -- also known as Nadia Summergirl -- did nothing wrong.

"This is ridiculous,'' he said in an earlier statement posted online. "We lived on a floating house boat for a few weeks and now Thailand wants us killed.''

The couple, who have gone into hiding, had been living part-time on a small structure they said was anchored outside Thailand's territorial waters, just over 12 nautical miles from shore. They were not there when the navy carried out their raid on Saturday.

The Thai deputy naval commander responsible for the area said the project was a challenge to the country's authorities.
"This affects our national security and cannot be allowed,'' Rear Adm Wintharat Kotchaseni told Thai media on Tuesday. He said the floating house also posed a safety threat to navigation if it broke loose because the area is considered a shipping lane.

Seasteading has had a revival in recent years as libertarian ideas of living free from state interference -- such as by using crypto-currency including bitcoin -- have become more popular, including among influential Silicon Valley figures such as entrepreneur Peter Thiel. Mr Elwartowski, an IT specialist, has been involved in bitcoin since 2010.

Several larger-scale projects are under development, but some in the seasteading community have credited the Andaman Sea house with being the first modern implementation of seasteading.

"The first thing to do is whatever I can to help Chad & Nadia, because living on a weird self-built structure and dreaming of future sovereignty should be considered harmless eccentricities, not major crimes,'' Patri Friedman, a former Google engineer who heads The Seasteading Institute, said on his Facebook page.

The floating two-storey octagonal house at the centre of the controversy had been profiled and promoted online by a group called Ocean Builders, which touted it as a pilot project and sought to sell additional units.

The group describes itself as "a team of engineering focused entrepreneurs who have a passion for seasteading and are willing to put the hard work and effort forward to see that it happens".

In online statements, both Mr Elwartowski and Ocean Builders said the couple merely promoted and lived on the structure, and did not fund, design, build or set the location for it.

"I was volunteering for the project promoting it with the desire to be able to be the first seasteader and continue promoting it while living on the platform,'' Mr Elwartowski told The Associated Press.

"Being a foreigner in a foreign land, seeing the news that they want to give me the death penalty for just living on a floating house had me quite scared,'' Mr Elwartowski said. "We are still quite scared for our lives. We seriously did not think we were doing anything wrong and thought this would be a huge benefit for Thailand in so many ways.''

Asked his next step, he was more optimistic.
"I believe my lawyer can come to an amicable agreement with the Thai government,'' he said.
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Posted that here a few days ago: https://huahinforum.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 45#p488769

Death penalty? Really? You'll get less for rape and murder here.
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They've been traced, but appears a quick jump out and perhaps they already have. The article doesn't say how old the trace is as their phones are now off.

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Phuket’s “seastead” couple face second summons

Wichit Police have issued a summons for the “seastead” couple after Phuket Immigration pressed another charge against them.

Phuket Immigration now say the pair left the kingdom without clearing through an immigration officer.

The charge comes after the couple headed out more than 12 nautical miles offshore from Phuket to set up and live in the “seastead”.

Immigration officials say that constitutes a departure from the Kingdom without clearing Immigration formalities.

Officers cannot confirm if the couple are in Thailand but say the immigration system indicates that they are still in Thailand and haven’t yet cleared immigration at any departure points.

Wichit Police have already issued the first police summons for the couple which has been sent to their registered accommodation.

Source: Thethaiger.com

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So, was the seastead in or not in Thailand? If in, why should the owners clear immigration? If outside, what was the legal reason for Thailand's extraterritorial action against it?
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Because they were in Thailand's exclusive economic zone. A little different to sovereign waters but still with Thai jurisdiction.
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OK, thanks. I guess it's covered by articles 56 and 60 in https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention ... /part5.htm
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It's really bemusing how the Thai's have reacted to this. Everywhere else and they are treated as cranks, or a few pennies short of a shilling, such as those in and around the UK. But here, it's a threat to national security. It's pathetic beyond words.
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Agreed, but let's face it, it's no surprise.
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