Vaccines - Covid 19

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Full time or part time foreign residents of Thailand which vaccine(s) have you or will you receive?

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AstraZeneca
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Johnson & Johnson
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Moderna
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Pfizer
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18%
Sinopharm
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Sinovac
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14%
Other
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AstraZeneca
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Moderna
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Pfizer
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Sinopharm
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Sinovac
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STEVE G wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:54 am The UK waived legal liability for the Astrazeneca vaccine to get advanced orders, so presumably the Government took on that liability themselves.
The UK were not alone - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astr ... NKCN24V2EN

In other news......

"A number of countries have decided to suspend use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine as a precaution following reports that some people have suffered blood clots after being given the jab.

But is it a case of being too cautious? Are these nations missing the bigger picture?

The decision has been made on the basis of the precautionary principle - a well-established approach in science and medicine that stresses the need to pause and review when evidence is uncertain.

But in a fast-moving pandemic, when each decision can have major consequences, it is an approach which can sometimes do more harm than good.

"Sometimes it can be harmful to wait for certainty. Not vaccinating people will costs lives.""

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There’s been no mention of any blood clots for the Pfizer vaccine - is that because there haven’t been any reported, or is it just being ignored to discredit the Astra Zeneca vaccine?
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How many people a day are dying from these blood clots? I look at the UK numbers, and the vaccines are already saving over 1,000 lives each day. Personally, rather than discredit any vaccine, people should be looking at the positives, with a little collateral damage. Some people are determined to discredit the vaccine at any cost.

How about giving a little credit also? Its the vaccines that will carry us out of this shit hole. Yes, they've probably been released a little early, but the benefits are immense. I'm sure any problems are being addressed by the manufacturers as they go.
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Big Boy wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:37 am I'm sure any problems are being addressed by the manufacturers as they go.
I'm not sure any problems have been identified, in that the deaths or issues with blood clots aren't being linked by scientists to the vaccine.

And considering that the UK has been ahead of the game in using this vaccine, I'm not aware of any reported issues there.

Indeed, regulators in the UK, EU and the WHO have all gone out of their way to stress any blood clots identified in vaccinated people are at the same level as those who haven't had the vaccine. 11 million cases of the vaccine used in the UK have been studied. That's quite a sample size.

I read yesterday that Macron has been told in no uncertain terms by French scientists that delays in using the vaccines will cost lives, yet there is still suspicion about the vaccine in the wider population, because of anti-British claims made about the vaccine by various EU leaders, so they all reap what they sow.

Another angle is how the popularity of Macron and other EU leaders is nosediving, threatening future electoral losses, whereas Johnsons rating is doing okay and the Tories have a solid lead in the polls. Considering the undoubted mess that has happened, that is just silly really.
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The big wigs here have proceeded with the AstraZeneca and gotten their first doses.

PM, ministers get Covid-19 shots

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... d-19-shots

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha and other cabinet ministers were inoculated against Covid-19 at Government House on Tuesday morning.

Their vaccinations had been postponed last Friday after several European countries had suspended the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine on reports of adverse reactions in a small number of patients.

"It has been verified that there is no bad reaction from the AstraZeneca vaccine.

"Inoculations start today with the cabinet and government officials who come in close contact to a large number of people," the prime minister said.

"This is to ensure safety and imbue confidence in the general public.

"What concerns me the most now is ensuring the vaccine reaches all people in at-risk groups as soon as possible," Gen Prayut said.

He said the World Health Organization and the European Medicines Agency had confirmed the safety of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

"Today people can have confidence. The prime minister is not only important person. Everyone is important to their own family. Everyone is equally important. So we will speed up vaccinations as soon as possible," Gen Prayut said.

During his 30-minute observation period after inoculation, the prime minister gave a brief talk that was broadcast live on the Government House Facebook page.

He said 116,520 doses of Covid-19 vaccines had been distributed through 13 provinces and 50,388 people were being inoculated.

He also said the government would allow the private sector to procure Covid-19 vaccines that had been approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

"Covid-19 is under control and the country has enough vaccines for the early stage of inoculation.

"So we will ease measures to let people live normal lives in the new-normal way," He said

"This Friday the CCSA (Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration) will consider easing measures and allowing activities during the Songkran festival. The government must also take care of the economy," Gen Prayut said.

A government official hosting the talk said people over 60 are getting the AstraZeneca vaccine and those under 60 years Sinovax, from China.

The prime minister is due to received his second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine on May 25.

After inoculating the prime minister, Prof Dr Yong Poovorawan, head of the Centre of Excellence in Clinical Virology at Chulalongkorn University, said more than 350 million doses of Covid-19 vaccine, from at least 10 producers, were being used worldwide.

"The vaccines that are being used worldwide are safe because they have passed studies, from animal trials stages to human trials, which proved them to be safe, to stimulate immunity and have disease prevention efficacy," he said.

"We can pass this crisis with vaccines. The virus has spread worldwide. We cannot eradicate it. We must adapt to co-exist with it. Vaccines are a way out," Prof Yong said.
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"OK guys, we've had the vaccine, let the plebs have Songkran".
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China to issue visas to foreigners who have taken Chinese jab
China is poised to ease border restrictions to allow some foreigners -- including from the US, India and Pakistan -- back in, provided they have taken a Chinese-made Covid-19 vaccine.

The country has been closed to most foreigners since last March to stem the spread of coronavirus which it has largely brought under control at home, stranding many foreigners with jobs and family inside China overseas.

But Chinese embassies in several countries have issued notices saying the country will open visa applications to select people who have taken a China-made jab.

The Chinese Embassy in the US said in a statement dated Monday that it would begin to process "visa applicants inoculated with Chinese Covid-19 vaccines".

This would apply from this week to those visiting the Chinese mainland for work resumption, business travel, or for "humanitarian needs", such as reuniting with family members.

Beijing is driving forward its inoculation plan for its vast domestic population with four domestically produced vaccines approved so far. But it has yet to approve any foreign-made jabs.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/20845 ... hinese-jab

Jab wars - only China can weaponize a vaccine and use it as leverage. So if you've already had one in your own country you have to have another one to go to China (which spawned the whole effing thing). You can just see how this is going to pan out ... :banghead:
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^ I wonder where the LHG stands - she wants to return to China as MIL is in bad shape with cancer. The LHG has had both her (Pfizer) jabs here in the UK......

So a Chinese citizen living in the UK/land of foreign devils and who's not had the Chinese "wonder jab"......
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Can you even get the Chinese vaccine in the UK. In fact how many countries have the Chinese vaccine.
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HHTel wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:08 pm Can you even get the Chinese vaccine in the UK. In fact how many countries have the Chinese vaccine.
Well, I was being somewhat sarcastic with regards to Sinovac, but strangely enough, I was just reading that 11 countries/territories are currently using Sinovac compared to 70 using Pfizer and 65 using Oxford/Astra Zenaca.

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Dannie Boy wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:51 am There’s been no mention of any blood clots for the Pfizer vaccine - is that because there haven’t been any reported, or is it just being ignored to discredit the Astra Zeneca vaccine?
Several interesting comments here - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... ood-clots/

Including the following related to the above comment: -

No indication' AstraZeneca vaccine causes blood clots, says European Medical Agency
"Ms Cooke also said there were similar reports about blood clots related to other coronavirus vaccines approved for use in Europe, including Pfizer and Moderna."


And....

"Comment: Europe's big problem now is that it lacks a clear alternative to AstraZeneca
Countries that have suspended its use lack a strategy to lift themselves out of their Covid hole, writes Ross Clark.

"If EU states don’t want to vaccinate with AstraZeneca, what alternative do they have? Pfizer’s factories are not producing enough shots for everyone in Europe, and the EU is going to face an uphill struggle in attracting other manufacturers to bring their operations to the bloc: who would want to invest in an EU-based plant knowing that exports from that plant could be stopped by the EU at whim.Between them, the EU and its member states risk turning their territory into a vaccine desert. The result will be many more deaths among Europeans, from blood clots included, which are, after all, a symptom of Covid-19."

The EU have shot themselves in the foot with this politically motivated BS which threatens everyone.... :banghead: :roll:

The extremely worrying issue however is the growing amount of people who believe the AstraZeneca vaccine to be unsafe which ultimately will cause serious issues with regards to people actually accepting it. Obvious knock-on effects with further surges in cases no doubt. Just look at the figures for France & Germany who instigated this....
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"A crisis threatens to engulf Angela Merkel’s government over her decision to suspend use of the AstraZeneca vaccine along with 15 other EU countries, which the Italian medicines regulator admitted was a “political decision”. ..."
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And the EU backpedals... No surprise there then :roll:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56440139

What pisses me off is that the political BS "games" these Muppets have played and are playing has increased and will increase the death rate. It is not a f***ing game!! :cuss:

For the love of God, stop the BS - give the jab, take the jab.

For me, the EU (and the likes of Sweden who are delaying further), need to be held accountable when (not if) this virus spreads further and causes far more deaths.

Political BS.... :cuss: :cuss:
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I’m not sure it’s BS, but certainly it appears to be very flawed decision making. At the moment there is no proven direct link between being vaccinated and getting blood clots, but even if that was the case, I believe that in the UK there has been only one reported death resulting from a blood clot in a vaccinated person - how many countless thousands of lives have been saved as a result of the jabs? The way forward looks very clear, get the jab and avoid the high risk of Covid and the almost infinitesimal risk of a blood clot.
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pharvey wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:52 am And the EU backpedals... No surprise there then :roll:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56440139

What pisses me off is that the political BS "games" these Muppets have played and are playing has increased and will increase the death rate. It is not a f***ing game!! :cuss:

For the love of God, stop the BS - give the jab, take the jab.

For me, the EU (and the likes of Sweden who are delaying further), need to be held accountable when (not if) this virus spreads further and causes far more deaths.

Political BS.... :cuss: :cuss:
It's not an EU decision, non of this has ever been, it's down to individual countries and most of them have just followed exactly the same procedure that was in place for concerns about any medical issue.
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For me, the EU (and the likes of Sweden who are delaying further), need to be held accountable when (not if) this virus spreads further and causes far more deaths.
Agree with Steve, it surely is not an EU decision, otherwise Finland would have halted it too. Instead we have been carrying on all the time using AZ and will do so. Biggest problem is that the company producing the vaccine can't keep its promises of delivering.
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