STEVE G wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:24 pm
Maybe the heading of this thread should be changed to "I hate electric cars" to better reflect the content!
Steve I do not hate them, at the moment they are inpractical still in adevelopment stage. I read to day if you own one for 3 years it is cheaper to buy petrol driven cars due to the upfront cost. Also the seconfd value of an electric car wiill not be good due to then unknown battery quality.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
STEVE G wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:08 pm
This is why businesses are turning electric:
“Our figures show that an electric car which travels 10,000 miles a year has transport costs of under £20 per month. And to show how cost effective EVs can be, a customer at automotive components manufacturer, Unipres, was able to travel 31,000 miles at just £320 per annum in electricity charges, which is a huge saving over conventional motoring costs.” https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest ... e-ice-cars
Also, surely any vehicle that is capable of doing about 50,000km a year of commercial driving is not inadequate.
30,OOO miles in a year is not high, I used to o betweem 50,000 to 60, 000 miles per annum. Could never done it if I had to stop to charge batteries. Thanks Steve you have just demonstrated battery driven cars asre not good. Plus their performance would go down with battery dterioration.
You were ver much an exception then, because the average annual mileage in the UK in 2019 (pre-pandemic) was less than 8000 miles. For those like yourself that drive considerably above the average then battery electric vehicles at the moment would not be suitable, but as technology develops then almost certainly even long-distance drivers will be catered for. If you think about cars generally and what current cars are like (ICE and EV) compared to 20 years ago, the improvements have been phenomenal and will no doubt continue at an even greater pace.
55,000 miles per annum equates to 150 miles per day, I would think that the majority of us over the years would have struggled to do 150 miles per week!!
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sateeb wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:07 am
55,000 miles per annum equates to 150 miles per day, I would think that the majority of us over the years would have struggled to do 150 miles per week!!
Now we tour for holidays living in the south, Scotland and North wales and the lake district would all be unreachable. Then you have to wait while it charges. The are ok for driving round town does anybody want to spend 30,000 for doing that.
Woke up this morning breathing that's a good start to the day.
Steve I do not hate them, at the moment they are inpractical still in adevelopment stage.....
They would be much more advanced if the Boomer generation hadn't squandered about 30 years of time to prepare for the replacement of fossil fuels by denying that there was a need for it. All the infrastructure, charging points, renewable power generation etc. should have been planned and put in place years ago.
All the basic technology in an electric car has been around since the nineties, there has been plenty of time available to develop it further.
The price of EV batteries has dropped tenfold in the last ten years, we could have been 20 years further ahead now.
handdrummer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:35 pm
" doubt that most people would keep a car for 30 years, so it looks like, at least for the newer Tesla models, the battery should last as long as you have the car."
My Mercedes is 27 yrs. old and I have no reason to replace it.
My father drove a 1939 LA Salle until 1999, then sold it to a collector. It was still running well.
If you buy a good automobile and take care of it it will last a long time.
I know perhaps 20 people or more - friends, family and acquaintances, none of whom have kept a car for even close to 30 years. So does my anecdotal evidence trump your anecdotal evidence?
Anyway, according to the article below:
the average age of all cars on UK roads has increased from 6.7 years in 1994 to 8.3 years in 2019.
handdrummer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:35 pm
" doubt that most people would keep a car for 30 years, so it looks like, at least for the newer Tesla models, the battery should last as long as you have the car."
My Mercedes is 27 yrs. old and I have no reason to replace it.
My father drove a 1939 LA Salle until 1999, then sold it to a collector. It was still running well.
If you buy a good automobile and take care of it it will last a long time.
I know perhaps 20 people or more - friends, family and acquaintances, none of whom have kept a car for even close to 30 years. So does my anecdotal evidence trump your anecdotal evidence?
Anyway, according to the article below:
the average age of all cars on UK roads has increased from 6.7 years in 1994 to 8.3 years in 2019.
For all the EV doubters, Volvo appear to be confident of introducing new battery technology within the next few years that will significantly improve current lithium-ion battery performance and reduce costs!!
If you got too much money, and want. Wouldn't by my choice, but, nice looking ride and performs quite well.
"By March 2020, global sales of all variants had reached more than 20,000 units, making the BMW i8 the world's top-selling plug-in electric sports car, and exceeding sales of all competitors in its segment combined." - wiki
