Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[KhunLA]

The EV fanboys on this thread continue with their delusions.
Almost nobody wants to buy one for very good reasons.....

At current sales volumes, EVs are heading towards 20% of global car sales by the end of the year which is hardly "Almost nobody".
If EVs were actually as bad as all the negativity you see on the Internet and in the UK press, they would have died a natural death years ago.
What you are seeing is huge amounts of lobbying money being spent by the vested interests in the fossil fuel and IC motor industries who never thought this technology was going to advance so quickly.
Renewable energy is now getting so cheap that throwing money away to the Middle East for fossil fuels is absolute stupidity.

[2/cb]

If the EV fanboys are so convinced of their case, let them pay the money and buy one. I won’t because at the moment there are many critical problems with them. The main reason for the EV market share is the threat of banning the alternatives. Once this threat is lifted, which it will be, EVs will fade away. And good riddance!

[Dannie Boy]

If the EV fanboys are so convinced of their case, let them pay the money and buy one. I won’t because at the moment there are many critical problems with them. The main reason for the EV market share is the threat of banning the alternatives. Once this threat is lifted, which it will be, EVs will fade away. And good riddance!

I think you’re delusional thinking that EV’s are going to fade away - billions have been invested in them and I don’t think anything can stop them, not even hydrogen!! Although the UK has pushed the deadline back by 5 years, that now aligns with many other countries that have adopted 2035 as the cut-off date for banning ICE cars. The environmental lobby will almost certainly ensure that these dates don’t get pushed back further and providing the new solid state battery technology is introduced on a wide scale basis before the end of this decade (which looks very likely), there's no reason to believe that anything will stop the EV juggernaut!!

[caller]

there's no reason to believe that anything will stop the EV juggernaut!!

Cost will be the deciding factor. Just think about Thailand.

[STEVE G]

there's no reason to believe that anything will stop the EV juggernaut!!

Cost will be the deciding factor. Just think about Thailand.

India’s EV Market Takes Off on $10,000 Electric Cars
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newslett ... ctric-cars

[Dannie Boy]

there's no reason to believe that anything will stop the EV juggernaut!!

Cost will be the deciding factor. Just think about Thailand.

India’s EV Market Takes Off on $10,000 Electric Cars
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newslett ... ctric-cars

Can’t open that link without registering which I don’t want to do, but most manufacturers are predicting that the costs of EV’s will come down - even Tesla have reduced their prices quite considerably

[Dannie Boy]

It can only be a matter of time before one of these developments results in a commercially available solid state battery

https://ts2.space/en/samsungs-breakthro ... tery-tech/


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[STEVE G]

Cost will be the deciding factor. Just think about Thailand.

India’s EV Market Takes Off on $10,000 Electric Cars
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newslett ... ctric-cars

Can’t open that link without registering which I don’t want to do, but most manufacturers are predicting that the costs of EV’s will come down - even Tesla have reduced their prices quite considerably

The basics of the article was this:

"Some 86% of all electric cars sold this year were priced under $20,000.
Many of them were introduced this year, including the cheapest — MG’s Comet mini car that sells for less than $10,000. Tata Motors’ best-selling Tiago compact EV accounted for 39% of EV shipments and retails for around $10,500. Deliveries of the model started early this year."

[caller]

"Some 86% of all electric cars sold this year were priced under $20,000.
Many of them were introduced this year, including the cheapest — MG’s Comet mini car that sells for less than $10,000. Tata Motors’ best-selling Tiago compact EV accounted for 39% of EV shipments and retails for around $10,500. Deliveries of the model started early this year."

That's much more promising. Let's hope that Thailand doesn't tax them into oblivion!

[Gregjam]

I see a lot of the GWM Haval’s around although not sure how many are EV, HEV or PHEV but they obviously satisfy the local desire for PPV’s and their pricing is competitive. Being sceptical it would be nice to see how they handle accidents. The PHEV should offer an economical alternative for those whose use is primarily local with the odd longer trip.
All sounds good but I think that like many I am happy sitting on the fence as the technology is still developing at a pace and hopefully the infrastructure here will be able to provide the power for the EV expansion unlike the UK which appears to be woefully inadequate.

[pharvey]

"Some 86% of all electric cars sold this year were priced under $20,000.
Many of them were introduced this year, including the cheapest — MG’s Comet mini car that sells for less than $10,000. Tata Motors’ best-selling Tiago compact EV accounted for 39% of EV shipments and retails for around $10,500. Deliveries of the model started early this year."

That's much more promising. Let's hope that Thailand doesn't tax them into oblivion!

The arguments for and against EV's will be rehashed and go on...and on...and on (unlike current EV batteries )

Joking apart, I really am not anti EVs - I simply don't see them as a viable option in the UK currently other than for those who have a healthy bank balance, can charge at home and/or do fairly limited mileage. To me, the figures quoted above are certainly open to question and I would definitely not be leaping into a Tata made car anytime. The 86% priced under $20,000 is another interesting one especially considering Tesla sales - the Model Y being the best selling car in both the US and Europe, the Model 3 seems to be everywhere in the UK.... ALL far more than $20,000 regardless of government subsistence which can bias figures. On that note in the UK, there are benefits for the "EV Company Car" (tax allowances etc.) which have certainly added to sales figures.

Of course you have huge sales in China with massive government grants and obviously free from any import tax.

For me living in the UK and hopefully being able to travel/drive to Europe in the future will be looking at a Hybrid - unlike my current car, I'll avoid large taxes and emission charges in many areas. It also gives me the safety net of not being stuck without a charging station! The whole "Environmentally Friendly" argument is also very flawed.

No question EVs are here to stay, but there's a deal of work to be done.

[Dannie Boy]

I would imagine that having EV’s in the sub $20k range will put pressure on the more mainstream manufacturers to lower their prices - hopefully that’s not being too optimistic, but in good old-fashioned economics, competition reduces prices!!


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[KhunLA]

Here's the top sellers now for TH, Can't see them getting much cheaper, as they are feature packed, and same or less expensive, as the quality imports from JP.

October 2023 sales numbers, and I added the prices, correct, I think. USD & THB

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Sales #s for the year:

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[STEVE G]

"Some 86% of all electric cars sold this year were priced under $20,000.
Many of them were introduced this year, including the cheapest — MG’s Comet mini car that sells for less than $10,000. Tata Motors’ best-selling Tiago compact EV accounted for 39% of EV shipments and retails for around $10,500. Deliveries of the model started early this year."

That's much more promising. Let's hope that Thailand doesn't tax them into oblivion!

The arguments for and against EV's will be rehashed and go on...and on...and on (unlike current EV batteries )

Joking apart, I really am not anti EVs - I simply don't see them as a viable option in the UK currently other than for those who have a healthy bank balance, can charge at home and/or do fairly limited mileage. To me, the figures quoted above are certainly open to question and I would definitely not be leaping into a Tata made car anytime. The 86% priced under $20,000 is another interesting one....

The 86% is purely for India, it's an article about EV sales there.
I posted it in reference to Thais not being able to afford them.

[KhunLA]

The 86% is purely for India, it's an article about EV sales there.
I posted it in reference to Thais not being able to afford them.

Not sure about that, as been all over TH, sort of, and seen plenty of EVs, and yet to really notice many, if any, farangs driving one. Definitely not a BEV, and all Thais driving them. Not sure about hybrids, as don't really notice them.