Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:00 am
There could be a few hybrids that have a slightly longer range, but certainly the majority that I’ve looked at typically can only drive for a couple of miles before the engine kicks in - even the class leader Toyota Yaris can’t do very much more, if at all. Of course the plug-in hybrids have considerably longer range, but as the name implies, they have to be plugged in to achieve maximum range.
OK, you've got me there.
With a bit of luck, before I'm hung drawn and quartered for my current car, there will be further steps made. I'll stick to my guns though and say Hybrids (one way or the other) are the future...
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
"The BYD Yuan UP is a well-balanced compact SUV suitable for daily urban driving. I was surprised by the comfort and how much tech the little SUV offered. It is a good example of an affordable vehicle that does not have to feel cheap. Its budget-friendly cost might also appeal to individuals seeking to transition to electric cars without breaking the bank. It will only be a matter of time for it to be launched outside of China like its peers, the Atto 3 and Dolphin."
What’s quite surprising is that the dimensions are not hugely different to those of the Dolphin - so not sure why you’d pick one rather than the other?
I think it's basically just a different style of car, a small crossover SUV rather than a hatchback. These Chinese companies seem to be able to bring out new models much quicker than the traditional manufacturers, I was reading recently that GWM are planning on putting out over 15 new models in the next two years.
This article is specifically UK biased but also makes reference to the issues in the EU and US about car manufacturers not meeting their projected car sales figures and hence huge discounts being offered - although they still are below target sales figures - it’s not looking very rosy in the near future!! https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/des ... tric-cars/
I think Thailand will be different. In the west, you have a lot of very big money, the oil companies and many established car companies, very actively trying to stop the adoption of electric cars. In Thailand, there is a lot of big established money going into Thai partnerships with Chinese EV companies and not much in opposition.
There aren't articles panning EVs everyday in the Thai press like there are in the UK from the likes of the Daily Express and Daily Telegraph!
I’m not sure the established car companies are very actively trying to stop Electric cars - they all have a range of cars already available and many more in the pipeline. Their obvious and understandable gripe is that governments like in the UK are imposing significant targets to be achieved in sales, otherwise they will have to pay punitive fines - it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if there’s a government climb down but with a likely new government, who knows?
Well, it'll be interesting today as Tesla announce their Quarterly Results. Things are already going somewhat pear-shaped with 10% job cuts announced, mass recalls, a 40% drop in share price.... More bad news expected.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
This is where I believe Thailand will be heading very soon:
History has been made over the period April 1-14, sales of new energy vehicles (NEV) exceeded half of all car sales in China. New energy vehicles is a Chinese umbrella term encompassing a number of types but in reality means largely pure electric vehicles and PHEVs.
"March data shows that ICE cars that in past were sales champions had rapidly falling sales with results like the Toyota Camry down by 59.2% and VW Lavida down by 36.4%."
pharvey wrote:Well, it'll be interesting today as Tesla announce their Quarterly Results. Things are already going somewhat pear-shaped with 10% job cuts announced, mass recalls, a 40% drop in share price.... More bad news expected.
Or maybe Tesla's Optimus robots are causing the job cuts.
STEVE G wrote:This is where I believe Thailand will be heading very soon:
History has been made over the period April 1-14, sales of new energy vehicles (NEV) exceeded half of all car sales in China. New energy vehicles is a Chinese umbrella term encompassing a number of types but in reality means largely pure electric vehicles and PHEVs.
"March data shows that ICE cars that in past were sales champions had rapidly falling sales with results like the Toyota Camry down by 59.2% and VW Lavida down by 36.4%."
One of the big drivers in China is that EV prices are considerably cheaper than elsewhere. A number of countries (Thailand is one) are offering fairly good deals/incentives, but the rest of the world has quite a lot of catching up to do - and of course most of them have or are considering putting tariffs on Chinese imports.
China's largest auto show showcases all-electric future, local brands dominate
"China's largest auto show opened in Beijing on Thursday with the biggest names showing off their latest electric vehicles (EVs), underlining how the world's largest auto market is already in an all-electric state of mind, and isn't looking back."
"At the Beijing auto show, there's no doubt there is no interest in gasoline vehicles anymore. Everyone is looking for the latest technologies in intelligence and electrification," William Li, founder and CEO of Chinese EV maker Nio, told Reuters."
STEVE G wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:30 pm
China's largest auto show showcases all-electric future, local brands dominate
"China's largest auto show opened in Beijing on Thursday with the biggest names showing off their latest electric vehicles (EVs), underlining how the world's largest auto market is already in an all-electric state of mind, and isn't looking back."
"At the Beijing auto show, there's no doubt there is no interest in gasoline vehicles anymore. Everyone is looking for the latest technologies in intelligence and electrification," William Li, founder and CEO of Chinese EV maker Nio, told Reuters."
STEVE G wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:30 pm
China's largest auto show showcases all-electric future, local brands dominate
"China's largest auto show opened in Beijing on Thursday with the biggest names showing off their latest electric vehicles (EVs), underlining how the world's largest auto market is already in an all-electric state of mind, and isn't looking back."
"At the Beijing auto show, there's no doubt there is no interest in gasoline vehicles anymore. Everyone is looking for the latest technologies in intelligence and electrification," William Li, founder and CEO of Chinese EV maker Nio, told Reuters."
Posting here rather than the "China Thread" as I feel there are more issues to come to light with regards to Chinese EV Makers/Producers.. And their "investors".
I'm quoting friends and relatives here (at this stage), but with the huge discontent within China over the dire job market (widely covered in news reports), there is also a belief that Government subsides (aka "investment") into the EV market (Chinese companies) is stifling support of other companies and employees - especially those of an age unable to learn new technologies.
The huge argument is that the Chinese Government will not support the elder generation who must continue to work due to the lack of healthcare and pensions - in return, the Government say the younger generation should support their parents/grandparents.... Unfortunately A) A huge amount of the younger generation can't get jobs and those that do can't afford to take care of their "Elders" B) Many (quite frankly) couldn't give a shit and simply think of "Number 1" Ultimately, many are suffering and add to that the environmental issues with battery production (exotic metals etc) and the pressure that induces internationally.... (?)
There are going to be issues, and the world's (well the West's) reluctance (yes, it is now) to purchase EV's due to cost and lack of infrastructure is becoming clearer. Tesla suffering as is BYD amongst many others. The latter will of course benefit from Government support, but for how much longer?
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
