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Big Boy wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 2:16 pm Is there not a good chance that if/when the world doesn't need oil anymore, the lithium producers will become all-powerful, and put stupid prices on lithium? We've seen the oil giants control prices for years. Will it not be human nature to see similar controls put on the mining of lithium?
There are many, many alternatives to lithium. None of them are quite as cost effective as lithium just yet but literally every day there is news on advancements in battery materials that will allow these other materials to rival or even surpass lithium within a few years.

Sodium, for instance is almost there already.
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GroveHillWanderer wrote:
Big Boy wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 2:16 pm Is there not a good chance that if/when the world doesn't need oil anymore, the lithium producers will become all-powerful, and put stupid prices on lithium? We've seen the oil giants control prices for years. Will it not be human nature to see similar controls put on the mining of lithium?
There are many, many alternatives to lithium. None of them are quite as cost effective as lithium just yet but literally every day there is news on advancements in battery materials that will allow these other materials to rival or even surpass lithium within a few years.

Sodium, for instance is almost there already.
Sodium? It's bad enough finding lithium, where will they ever find enough sodium?

/sarc
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hhinner wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 6:46 pm
GroveHillWanderer wrote:
Big Boy wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 2:16 pm Is there not a good chance that if/when the world doesn't need oil anymore, the lithium producers will become all-powerful, and put stupid prices on lithium? We've seen the oil giants control prices for years. Will it not be human nature to see similar controls put on the mining of lithium?
There are many, many alternatives to lithium. None of them are quite as cost effective as lithium just yet but literally every day there is news on advancements in battery materials that will allow these other materials to rival or even surpass lithium within a few years.

Sodium, for instance is almost there already.
Sodium? It's bad enough finding lithium, where will they ever find enough sodium?

/sarc
Do some research!!

Sodium is 1000 times more abundant than lithium, potentially reducing supply chains and lowering battery costs, Tarascon says. Other advantages of sodium-ion batteries include high power, fast charging, and low-temperature operation

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v17/73 ... %20%5B1%5D.
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I presumed that was the purpose of the "/sarc" :laugh:
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Dannie Boy wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 7:22 pm
hhinner wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 6:46 pm
GroveHillWanderer wrote:
There are many, many alternatives to lithium. None of them are quite as cost effective as lithium just yet but literally every day there is news on advancements in battery materials that will allow these other materials to rival or even surpass lithium within a few years.

Sodium, for instance is almost there already.
Sodium? It's bad enough finding lithium, where will they ever find enough sodium?

/sarc
Do some research!!

Sodium is 1000 times more abundant than lithium, potentially reducing supply chains and lowering battery costs, Tarascon says. Other advantages of sodium-ion batteries include high power, fast charging, and low-temperature operation

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v17/73 ... %20%5B1%5D.

Another article!!

https://think.ing.com/articles/can-sodi ... batteries/
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Dannie Boy wrote:
Dannie Boy wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 7:22 pm
hhinner wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 6:46 pm Sodium? It's bad enough finding lithium, where will they ever find enough sodium?

/sarc
Do some research!!

Sodium is 1000 times more abundant than lithium, potentially reducing supply chains and lowering battery costs, Tarascon says. Other advantages of sodium-ion batteries include high power, fast charging, and low-temperature operation

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v17/73 ... %20%5B1%5D.

Another article!!

https://think.ing.com/articles/can-sodi ... batteries/
Research sodium? Why? Obviously Thailand can use fish sauce as electrolyte. Image
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STEVE G wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 10:39 am Yet another new model from BYD:

BYD launches sleek new Tesla Model Y rivaling Sea Lion 07 electric SUV starting at $26K
https://electrek.co/2024/05/13/byd-laun ... rting-26k/
I’d take the $$$ price with a pinch of salt. May apply in China, but they’ll probably double in price elsewhere.
America is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese imports.
I've lost my mind and I am making no effort to find it.
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Khundon1975 wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 10:42 pm
STEVE G wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 10:39 am Yet another new model from BYD:

BYD launches sleek new Tesla Model Y rivaling Sea Lion 07 electric SUV starting at $26K
https://electrek.co/2024/05/13/byd-laun ... rting-26k/
I’d take the $$$ price with a pinch of salt. May apply in China, but they’ll probably double in price elsewhere.
America is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese imports.
Yep, another Chinese copy funded by the government.
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Khundon1975 wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 10:42 pm
STEVE G wrote: Thu May 16, 2024 10:39 am Yet another new model from BYD:

BYD launches sleek new Tesla Model Y rivaling Sea Lion 07 electric SUV starting at $26K
https://electrek.co/2024/05/13/byd-laun ... rting-26k/
I’d take the $$$ price with a pinch of salt. May apply in China, but they’ll probably double in price elsewhere.
It won’t be double the price in Thailand.
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STEVE G wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 11:46 am It won’t be double the price in Thailand.
Thailand ... triple. :duck:

The prices of these things are still too silly for me, even with the "Chinese discount," and way too much tech to go wrong. Thais buy them for show show - a car is a status symbol, a fancy EV is bigger show. I read somewhere that EV sales here were actually down y-o-y.
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Not sure that’s correct Buks, this article indicates a slowing of total car sales, but EV’s going up partly as a result of the subsidies being offered.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automo ... 20vehicles.
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Bangkok Post must be fibbing again then ...
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/mo ... iss-target
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Dannie Boy wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 1:21 pm Not sure that’s correct Buks, this article indicates a slowing of total car sales, but EV’s going up partly as a result of the subsidies being offered.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automo ... 20vehicles.
Sorry Buks, you’re correct that in 2024 there has been a slowing of EV sales - January was up but February and March were down!!

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news- ... arch-2024/
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This whole thread is full of negativity about EVs but I notice that since it started in 2017, worldwide sales have gone from around 1 million a year to about 15 million.
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I did say before that I wasn't anti-EV ... and didn't want arguments, but there are too many evangelists in this thread, so I'm outta here and back to observation mode ...
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