45 million people are eligible to vote

[Norseman]

For those who did not realise what the English Constitution is........ Much of it was indeed based on the Magna Carta.. and I believe there are at least two of those laws that still exist today. The rest is made up by dickheads, elected by......... you got it.... dickheads.

Yes, you will find a page or two of the magnificent Magna Carta in British Library in London.
I've seen one of the originals in British Museum in London and it's a wonderful piece of history. All men are free etc.

A stunning piece of history and you Englishmen should be proud of it as well as you should be proud of England and it's history.

Never did any voting in your life tigger?

[Norseman]

For those who did not realise what the English Constitution is........ Much of it was indeed based on the Magna Carta.. and I believe there are at least two of those laws that still exist today. The rest is made up by dickheads, elected by......... you got it.... dickheads.

Yes, you will find a page or two of the magnificent Magna Carta in British Library in London.
I've seen one of the originals in British Museum in London and it's a wonderful piece of history. All men are free etc.

A stunning piece of history and you Englishmen should be proud of it as well as you should be proud of England and it's history.

Never did any voting in your life tigger?

But, this thread is about Thailand not England.

[tigger]

Norseman.. you English??????? You are quite right, I never ever did any voting in my life... at least not in england anyway. Just couldnt see the point of either keeping one d...head there or putting in another. As for History.. there are many , many things i'm very proud of about my Heritage, but I was obviously refering to the present. And my appologies but the thread drifted toward constitution's and I just wanted to point out what this could lead to.

[dtaai-maai]

Norseman.. you English???????

Not a chance, his English is far too good, and he knows something about Britsh history.

Tigger, if you're a Brit, and you didn't vote in the UK, you can hardly complain about those who were elected. And where did you vote, BTW?

[BaaBaa.]

Norseman.. you English???????.

Norsemans not English, hence the name.

[DawnHRD]

Norseman.. you English??????? You are quite right, I never ever did any voting in my life... at least not in england anyway. Just couldnt see the point of either keeping one d...head there or putting in another. As for History.. there are many , many things i'm very proud of about my Heritage, but I was obviously refering to the present. And my appologies but the thread drifted toward constitution's and I just wanted to point out what this could lead to.

Apologies, everyone, for keeping the thread off course, but:

Did you never think that if sufficient people thought & acted as you in UK, tigger that that could be the reason why the country is in the lamentable state you describe?

Don't you think that a pride in British history might honour the people that fought to get the vote for the common man (& much more latterly, woman) & so influence you to vote?

[STEVE G]

Now after the Election dust have settled (And left me completely dusted). Did all of your revered Mrs. went to the Voting Stations? And who didn't bothered to go.

Understudy, Mrs. Steve voted "No" along with the rest of Nong Ki from what I've been told.

[caller]

And staying off thread - apologies (maybe this should be split)?

Dawn, if there was an election called shortly, I honestly wouldn't know who to vote for.

Labour have messed up big time on law and order, the european invasion and uncontrolled immigration from elsewhere. I truly wonder sometimes what country I am living in. I hate the massive visual impact of muslims in the area I work. That didn't exist 2-3 years ago. But I do support Labour 100% on the introduction of ID cards (that's a professional & personal view) as do the majority of the British public.

However, the Tories (and Lib-Dems, but they don't count) are against it. On the whole Cameron seems to be too liberal for a country where there is finally even a shift amongst the chattering classes against such ideals which are now generally believed to have been wrong and a cause of too many of the current ill's. For example a murderer has just won his fight against deportation having murdered a headmaster, as it would breach his human rights! Nothing wrong with the judiciary on that, they're just following a law introduced by Govt. But to the public at large its just another broken straw. Apart from introducing a new border force, the tories don't seem to have anything to offer and in particular, on the big issues. Cameron recently went on a fact finding tour to Africa as England and his constituency flooded.

In short, I don't feel there is anyone representing me. A lot of people I know, from diverse backgrounds, feel the same.

There seems to be a huge gulf between the general public and the Govt. the Judiciary and those damned chattering classes!

[DawnHRD]

Sorry - still off topic & I'm not sure how to split it!

Take your point, Caller, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm hopelessly out of touch with UK now, which is why, even though I could vote by proxy, I don't. I wouldn't impose my vote on a country that I know virtually nothing about.

However (getting even more hopelessly off topic) before the last US Presidential Election, there was a campaign by women celebrities to try to get women to vote. IMO, it was shameful the number of women who didn't vote & never had. As a woman, I am aware that we have had the vote for only a century, and already some women are shrugging off their say & their voice, which their predecessors fought so hard to get them.

Reading tigger's post made me realise that this might also be the case in UK (voter apathy in general) and it made me wonder if the political situation would be different, if more people did take voting seriously. If there are people in UK (of any age) who have never voted because they couldn't see the point, I wonder if the current political situation is partly because they didn't care enough to put their view forward. Maybe some different people would have been voted into local seats, who could have become good leaders & instituted decent policies. Who knows?

[tigger]

I totally agree that throughout History, the right to offer a vote as a common man has been well received. However, that right also extends to the right to abstain. I agree also with Dawn , that probably not enough people take voting serious enough as they feel they cannot make a difference with a single vote........ Guilty as charged..... My apologies for veering off topic.

ps. Yes I did realise that Norseman wasn't English. His sarcastic comment regarding my voting habit's backfired didn't it.

[Norseman]

ps. Yes I did realise that Norseman wasn't English. His sarcastic comment regarding my voting habit's backfired didn't it.

It was absolutely NOT intended as sarcastic.
I'm sorry if I offended you tigger.

What I wanted to say is that when you give your vote to a specific political group or party, it happens very often that the opposite party wins the election.
Then you have the rights to complain and throw dirt on all and everybody.
If you however don't do your civic duty then I think you have no right to abuse people who cast their vote.

[tigger]

Norseman, You are quite right and I stand corrected. I think your last post hit the mark and put me in my place. Taken on the chin. I retract my silly remark regarding voters... each to their own. I do have very strong views on this subject and got carried away. Tanks for putting me right

[buksida]

Can we keep this one back on topic and start any discussions regarding UK politics in Foo please.

As expected most of the Thakisn supporters voted against it and the rest of the country for it - no surprises there then, there is still a big divide in the Kingdom. Let hope it speeds the path to the elections and another nationalistic populist party of old codgers don't get in.

[Terry]

Sorry Buksi........... but

Let hope it speeds the path to the elections and another nationalistic populist party of old codgers don't get in.

inyadreams I think

[buksida]

Yeah I should have highlighted the word hope.