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I was down on Penang last week getting a new visa and for what it's worth, here is how the trip went.
As I was caught up in Chinese New Year, the trains to Butterworth were full until after my old visa expired, so I had to take the bus to Hat Yai. It was due to leave HH at 10pm and got away at 10.30pm - not bad. I was surprised that it was a "double decker" coach, with toilet. Overall it was very comfortable and took 10.5 hours to get to Hat Yai. Arrived 8am. Price 680 Baht.
As soon as I stepped off the bus, I was grabbed for a minibus to Penang. Had to wait an hour, but that was enough time for some noodle soup and then we were on our way. The journey to the Malaysian border at Pedang Besar took about 30 mins. It's chaos there with millions of minibuses, coaches, cars and people passing through. Nevertheless, getting stamped out was quite efficient and the process didn't take more than 15 mins.
After that, it's about a kilometer drive through "no man's land", past the huge duty-free shopping mall, to the Malaysian border. Again, loads of people, but a very quick immigration process. No arrival/departure cards to fill in. My passport was scanned and I was stamped in for 90 days. Easy.
After that it was about a further 3 hour drive to Georgetown - the capital of Penang. I was surprised that we weren't dropped off on the mainland at Butterworth to get the ferry. The minibus went a little further south and crossed to the island via the bridge.
After messing around for about an hour, we were dropped off right on Chulia Street, the heart of Georgetown.
Here I got lucky. As soon as I stepped off the bus, I was greeted by an Indian chap and quickly learnt that he had a visa service two doors up the road. And it happened to be the company I had decided to use before I went. So, my application for a Multiple-entry Non Immigrant O visa was done straight away. Cost 5,500 Baht, plus 500 Baht for their running around. (The easiest way of calculating money is 10 Baht to 1 Ringit).
So, feeling pretty pleased with myself that I'd sorted the application out so quickly, I decided to have a beer :idea: (Small Tiger was between 70 and 80 Baht wherever I went).
Here I was lucky for the second time. I'd decided to stay at The Malaysia Hotel which is just off Chulia Street and costs 1,100 Baht a night. Anyway, the "bar" I was in looked inviting and I noticed a stage and drum kit set up. So, I asked whether they had any rooms free. Was shown a room the "size of a football pitch". Huge. King sized bed, sofa, easy chair, dressing table, wardrobe and LOADS of space. The bathroom had a bathtub and was western style. OK, It could have used a lick of paint and a bit of attention, but when I was told that it 500 Baht a night if I used the aircon and 350 Baht if I only used the ceiling fan, I took it there and then.
The next 4 nights were brilliant. The owners and the musicians, who played nightly from 10pm - 1am, were about the most friendly people I've ever met. I had a great time, so much so, that I decided to say another night after I got my passport back.
In amongst all the people I met there (and they were all characters), Mr. Ahmed B Ali stands out. He was 71 and had won the bodybuilding contest on Penang for 3 consecutive years between 1959-61. There were also a string of "Mr Body Beautiful" trophies etc etc. He has 5 children and 17 grandchildren now. I'm looking at a signed copy of the article written by a Penang newsaper right now. You'd never believe it. At 71, he's got hair down almost to his waist and looks like he's just stepped out of the jungle. And he drinks copious amounts of Guinness Export (which at 8% tends to knock him out pretty quickly).
All I'm saying is that the people in there were great. The hotel is called "The Blue Diamond" and is approximately 400 yards down from the top of Chulia Street on the left. BTW, I suppose if you can't find it, just ask for the place that "Mat Tarzan" hangs out in. Everyone knows him.
Food at the hotel was great value. Fish (two fillets) with chips, mixed veg (OK frozen stuff) and a bit of salad was 120 Baht. The same with lamb chops (2 and a bit overdone) 160 Baht. The band were OK and they attracted a good crowd of travelers every night. I couldn't recommend this place any more - as long as you're willing to put up with a bit of peeling paint etc. I never needed to use the aircon, so for 350 Baht a night, I wasn't complaining. I could have stayed at The Malaysia Hotel for 1,100 and would have been bored stiff.
Other than that, Chulia Street has plenty of restaurants/bars and everywhere is friendly. There's Love Lane which speaks for itself, although I wouldn't advise walking down there after 9pm ish. Full of ladyboys and you're pretty certain to lose something there. There are a couple of decent bars though.
AND, there's Little India. Newly cobblestoned streets with all the sights, sounds and smells of India herself. I picked up a carrier bag of spices for 220 Baht. The equivalent in HH (even if I'd managed to find some of the stuff) would have cost me well over 1,000, I'm sure. Anyway, let the vindaloos roll :shock:
On the way back, I teamed up with a young Swedish bloke who was traveling up to BKK and then to Pattaya. He'd left his Swedish girlfriend on Penang to see a friend in Pattaya. I thought he must nuts when he showed me her photo. "You've left her just to see a mate? You're crazy". There didn't seem to be any way back to her for him, so we drank the best part of his bottle of vodka, with coke, before we even got to the border. The beers were on me after that :cheers:
Price of train from Butterworth to HH - @1,100 Baht. Air-con carriages, own berth, very comfortable. I staggered off it at 6am and found my way back home.
Although I only got a single entry Non O visa there (90 days), I'd do the journey again tomorrow. I would choose the train down there though. Bus/minibus is a bit rough for this old man.
Hope I havn't bored you all.
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Nice report and good useful information. Thanks!
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Great report Lomu. I'm planning a road trip from Hua Hin to Singapore, stopping off at Chumpon, Krabi, Penang, Cameron Highlands, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. Considered using the train but reckon taking my own truck will enable me to go places I would otherwise find difficult to get to. Any tips / advice welcome.
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I'm sure you'll have a great time, Jockey. The only thing I'm not certain about is taking your vehicle over a border. I've never done it, but I think some paperwork will be necessary and I don't know how arduous that'll be.
The Cameron Highlands sounds good. Never been there, but maybe one day?
I want to make a call back to the UK from the red phone box - I've seen it on telly.
Driving over the causeway and bridge to Penang is SCARY. After 3 hours of sensible driving on Malaysian highways, everyone went crazy on that bridge.
If you do it, you'll know what I mean.
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lomuamart wrote:The only thing I'm not certain about is taking your vehicle over a border. I've never done it, but I think some paperwork will be necessary and I don't know how arduous that'll be.
You've got me worried now! Can anyone advise?
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Yes Jockey,

The first time I went over the border, I just drove my car over and spent a week in Malaysia. No-one seems to know how I got away with that. No paperwork, no insurance etc. However, the following is the correct way.

You need the owners papers for the car. There'll be an application to fill out at the border. They'll also need to see insurance for driving in Malaysia. This can be bought locally at the border. The insurance company will 'Romanise' your licence plate and put a sticker on the front and back bumpers. That's it. You're on your way. Don't forget to have 3 ringit for immigration on the Malay end.

One thing to beware of. Not all garages sell deisel. It's okay on the motorway, but when you get into the towns, you may have to look around a bit. Diesel pumps are usually put out of the way as most deisel over there is for trucks. Also, 'English style' where you SERVE YOURSELF then walk to the kiosk and queue to pay! I'd forgotton all about that!

I've been across the bridge into Penang several times and never been aware of anything 'scary'. You pay a toll going on to the island but it's free to return. The tolls are 'vehicle type' based. They don't see many SUV's and some cashiers try to charge you the 'pick-up' price.

Don't even think of taking your motor into Singapore. Park it in JB and get the bus over. I'm sure you know that you'll need plenty of cash for Singapore.

Have a nice trip.
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HHTel,
Great advice there.
By scary, I meant the motorbikes coming from behind, on the left and righr, Our minibus was doing 80+kph. The bikes much faster and were lucky to be alive - especially as I wasn't driving.
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HH Tel
Thanks for the info. Do you know how much the insurance costs to drive in Malaysia for about 2/3 weeks? I ask because if its a ridiculous amount, I might abandon my adventure and take a budget airline to Penang from where I could hire a car?

One last question - you say leave your car at JB before going to Singapore. Where or what is JB?
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I found this on another site which I will share with you. It explains why HHTEL had no hassle before but the've now tightened things up...

the law is:
you need the Thai drivers licence translated into English or Malay of course and the registration papers as well.

Now: if you have a "natural flavour" - they will not enforce it all the time - unless you have to buy insurance (I have yearly insurance that is much cheaper - because I go there more often).

As said before - this enforcement is since the beginning of this year - and it is likewise on the Thai side - the Malays have to bring proof that the vehicle they bring - is legally theirs - or they are entitled to drive it!

And: there's no need for a International Licence - the Thai authorities can (are able to) translate (accepted in MA and SIN) for I guess 100 - or 150 baht max - had a friend that had to do - as I still use my Thai Licence alone. You can get that in the Land Transport Offices. Again - I can do because I have yearly Insurance and don't have to go to the Insurance Office, I drive straight through and then no hassle.

If you have no insurance and have to queue up (sorry : LINE UP) at the Insurance office - then you're in their hands and they will ask what the law
officially wants - - and you have to oblige - because after crossing - you have to register the Insurance again - and there is where they start the
questions.

The cheapest is to get the insurance direct in Malaysia (if you plan for several visits) - and then is all settled ! Otherwise you're to bring translation of DL and Car/M'cycle papers.

Sorry, the good old times where you could cross with the Thai Insurance and Registration - have definitely gone!
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Jockey wrote:HH Tel
Thanks for the info. Do you know how much the insurance costs to drive in Malaysia for about 2/3 weeks? I ask because if its a ridiculous amount, I might abandon my adventure and take a budget airline to Penang from where I could hire a car?

One last question - you say leave your car at JB before going to Singapore. Where or what is JB?
Jockey, I do not know if this is permitted on this forum, but try this link:
http://www.travelfish.org/board/post/vi ... ting-/0#ta

JB is Johor Baru, the city in Malaysia where you can cross the causeway to Singapore. Very good advice to leave you car there, but just where I do not know. Maybe an idea to start a thread on this subject? :cheers:
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Nice one Lomu. I've done HH to HadYai by train in the past and over the border by minibus. Also by coach from HH to Butterworth and on to Penang by the car ferry. A lot of people seem wary of Penang but I got stuck there for 5 days once (don't ask) and really enjoyed it. The Indian restaurants and the shopping were great.
HadYai can be good as well once you find your way around, with some good live music bars. IMO its worth a visit for anyone wanting a break from HH. The food seems to get better as you go further South as well. Try HadYai street markets for roast chestnut vendors.
BTW you are right - train every time if poss :cheers:
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Well I've decided to wimp out and go by train, plane and automobile ending with an Air Asia flight back from Singapore to Bangkok (very cheap!). The hassle of border crossing and other stuff put me off, plus I found a very excellent informative site which swayed me. http://www.seat61.com/Malaysia.htm So now my plans are an overnight sleeper train journey from Hua Hin to Butterworth. Stop off a few days at Penang, then a train to Kuala Lumpur. From there I'll take a coach trip to Mersing which is the gateway to some of the most beautiful islands in the world. 10 days Island hopping, then a coach trip or taxi to Johore Baharu, then cross over to Singapore for three nights taking in a Singapore Sling at Raffles of course! My girlfriend is accompanying me, but shes leaving the planning details up to me. Thanks for all the advice.
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I'm in the Blue Diamond right now talking with Mr. Ahmed B Ali. He's very interested in your post. I've showed him the web page. Maybe he'll become a member of HHAD and post you a reply. :P
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That's great KelpieKiss. Pass on my regards and tell him his newspaper article has pride of place on my bookcase.
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Mistake.
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