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Thaksin opens unfinished airport

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An account of the great face saving charade at Suvarnabhumi from BBC news:

"Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has presided over a symbolic opening of Bangkok's new international airport, by landing there on a special flight.

The new airport, which is seen as crucial to Thailand's tourist industry, was first planned 45 years ago.

Mr Thaksin had originally promised it would be finished by today, Thursday, but it is now not expected to be fully operational for another year.

Claims of incompetence and corruption have dogged the $4bn project.

For the first time since it was dreamed up, Suvarnabhumi (Golden Land) airport, was thronged with people.

These people were not regular passengers, though, but an entourage of cabinet ministers, dignitaries and airport employees all brought in for one day to sustain the illusion that Bangkok's new international gateway is open for business.

This extravagant spectacle was organised on the orders of Prime Minister Thaksin, because he had promised the country that the airport would be completed by Thursday.

The expanses of bare concrete, unsurfaced roads and half finished buildings told a different story though.

Even the government now concedes the airport will not be ready to handle commercial flights until June next year.

Corruption allegations

Industry experts believe there could be further delays to the project - which has already been dogged by delays and allegations of corruption, one of which cost the transport minister his job two months ago.

Airlines are complaining that the charges at the new airport will be too high, and that it will not be capable of handling baggage fast enough.

These concerns were brushed aside by the prime minister as he toured the impressive terminal buildings on Thursday.

He insists the airport will beat its rivals in the region to become East Asia's dominant transport hub - a goal his critics say is within reach, but only if the government acknowledges its past mistakes."
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Post by lomuamart »

Yeah,
It's been interesting following this saga over here.
The BKK Post was full of it today - maybe in no small way due to the fact that the airport and more specifically Toxin are suing the newspaper over allegations that the runways were cracked.
It was also interesting to read how much had been spent on yesterday's event. I can't remember the exact figures, but one was around 5 million Baht for breakfast and snacks for the dignataries. There were a lot more additional costs as well.
It was pointed out that as Toxin and his cronies landed yesterday, there would have been no travel infrastructure in place to get them into BKK by bus, rail or pretty much any other means.
The full opening is ages away :guns:
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Hi,

BBC lot of bullshit....

Pm Thaksin never said The new airport will finished on 29th Sep 2005..


IMPOSSIble to be compeated on 29th Sep...sometime media just lot of shit....


on 29th Sep2005 we opened for test the new Runways and new airroplan and just the good day.....That is

we can able to open next years but still not compeate...still lot of thing to do... coz this is new airport .( Not same Singrapro they expaned )...and many thing very new technology for thailand..

we borrow money from JBEC ( Japan) then we need to open soon as we can then we can make money to return...

.u not need Airport to be compete 100%..some time..only importan part finished.....U can open it ....like ternimal and runway and what ever about computer that control all Airport like AIMs ...

But on 29th sep just test the runways and new airroplan really...and coz thai believe in Good day and that day..cannt open..computer and many thing not finished Yet

we still need to build AIRPORT LINK like In Hongkong BTS from Makkason to the in side of the airport ,and need to do lot of thig around the airport....



yeah Corruption....my arsss.....lets me tell u....The JBEC who lent us money paid for Independent Financial to look after this project...

every baht every contract JBEC need to sign ...Look if lot of corruption In this Airport project..The JBEC will stop to give money....

Do u think The JBEC will give thailand just ok 80.000 million baht u have it and u look after the money by yourself....Bullshit..they give by project...and they wont lookafter only their money...they will lookafter all money tru the project 120.000million baht

coz every porject it will together.....one fall the other fall also

it kind like new system in thailand and many people still live in old world....The independent financial who control the bugget will try to save money as they can coz that mean BIG bonus if they can save money or not over the bugget....in the end of the project

soon or later all airport in south east asia need to be same standard other whil wont have any airoplans will land...
NEED IATA standard...lol...



STOP my crab Now...

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may be more than 5 years new airport will compeate...

i am looking looking forward to that...


45years unbelieveable. This airport take lot of time..coz Goverment before can made deal about something...

But Pm thaksin he dont need to made any deal with any body....he just do it..then it happend..

..but im happy that finished on my time..

mmmmm...


stop my crap now

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evillady wrote:Hi,

BBC lot of bullshit....

Pm Thaksin never said The new airport will finished on 29th Sep 2005..

STOP my crab Now...

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evillady wrote: BBC lot of bullshit....

Pm Thaksin never said The new airport will finished on 29th Sep 2005..
You should try looking at the media closer to home before you criticize others:

The editor of the biggest English language newspaper in the country gets fired because they're printing anti Toxin stories.

Two large Thai language websites suddenly dissapear from the internet becasuse they ran anti government sentiments.

Political talk shows get axed from TV because Toxin doesnt like what they're saying about him.

And now the imbecile is sueing the owner of Manager Media (one of the largest Thai language newspapers in the country) for anti TRT sentiment.

Go figure :guns:

There is only one way that Thai media is going ... once he has full control over that you may as well be living under a dictatorship which we pretty much are anyway with that meglomaniac at the helm.

Oh ... and the airport is a farce.
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Post by lomuamart »

Evillady,
You should try and get your facts straight before posting on the news forum.
On 28th July 2005, Thaksin admitted that delays to construction work would pospone the opening until July 2006, at the latest. People are now talking about Sept 2006.
QUOTE Mr Thaksin "It's normal for delays at a new international airport. But if opening has to be delayed to make security and structural work perfect, that is acceptable to me". Bangkok Post 29th July 2005.
Thaksin had definitely stated that the airport would be finished on 29th Sept, but later retracted his statement saying that what he had meant was that construction jobs would be finished by then. The inaugural flight in was exactly as the BBC reported it - a face saving exercise.
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Hi..mr Buksida and mr.jaime

I wiold love to tell u..I stop read Thai newspaper or Crap news paper since i have had seen ....They r know nothing about anything They r talking about....serious....also Some TV medai....they r so nagrative and Thinking only their face.... lets me tell u what.


many reporters what ever newspaperper or Tv...they didnt know what t r They talking about...They no have a crue ...for any thing they cirticize

1/ mr. james talk about Ctx9000 ok....lest me tell u why i so ashame for them...(some thai media)..The opposit party...(not smart either) said have corruption about Ctx 9000....

and next day most of the news papers talk about it and, tried to make the reader believe That was corrution about Ctx.9000..



Ctx9000 it is very new technology for thailand... it hapened after 9/11 in america all airport need to have EDS machine....then IATA made it to a rule that every international airport should shve EDS machine.....right

what do u ..how many Thai reader who doesnt understand about these EDS machine will believe...

many medis ..newspapaer or Tv .They know nothing about it...even now u asking them many of them still dont know...and how they wrote the news or atical about Curruption ....ctx9000



so how do they judge someone that he had been corruption by they didn have any knowlage any thing about it....

and also about American law...about FCPA law in America ..ask them the medai....No one know nothing about it...and just believe becouse the Democrate party ( who know nothing also ) talking crap in the parlarment....

Im serious ...now it IT time...all information u dont need to read from newspaper or TV crab....U can find out the true ..by yourself...lets me tell u or answer u what i found out ..by myself...

Not from BBc or CNN or CNBC or bangkok post crap....all crap...they r doing business but lied..to people that they do becoz they love the job and have soul for it....

it make me angry ...i am Honest ( That why not many thais like me)and i love to see thailand go some where..not like before....


to be continue.... :twisted:
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Post by lomuamart »

Evillady,
Are you suggesting that we should all bury our heads in the sand and not look at any media? It does so happen that organisations such as The BBC and CNN are respected around the world for news coverage. They certainly put to shame the government regulated dross that's produced in Thailand. OK, so the normal Thai person will know nothing about these scanners, but they would certainly be able to comprehend the fact that enormous amounts of money were entered twice in the budgets, with certain people pocketing the difference. These people have lost their jobs. It's all well documented and this fiasco is one of the major reasons for the airport's delay in opening.
Now, good old Mr T's comments about the opening date. He'd previously stated that it would be completed on September 29th. It was obvious to all and sundry that this was never going to happen. Don't forget that were were many non Thais involved and it proved more difficult to shut them up than it did the local people. So, during an inspection visit on 27th July he declared publically for the first time what the problems were and how long they were expected to take.
It's not unusual for a project of this size to run into delays. If he'd just come clean and given the information, he would have been much better respected over this than he has become by retracting his original statement on opening and telling us "what he really meant to say".
And then the lemon went and spent 5-10 million Baht on flying in his cabinet and foreign dignataries. The amount could well have been more than that. Certainly, 5 million was spent on breakfasts and giveaways alone!!
I'm afraid that the saga of Suvarnabhumi airport has not exactly done much to enhance Thailand as a real force in anything, as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
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Post by evillady »

Hi Mr. Lomuamart,


No, I didnt tell u or the other to stop read the news or stop look at the media.

And about CNN or BBC yeah , may be some people respected them but not every one in this world respected them ..I dont care about them at all...

in the 20th century....Media very Influence to thepublic...what ever media give u ..many people belive...becouse they have No other ways to find out the true..


Ok i cannt say all repoters or all medai r crap...some of them r ok...i restpect some reporter many born to be reporter by heart and spirit.

That happend before like Watergate case that made Richard Nixson resign .and that was the true. he did it..

CNN or BCC..yeah the world news report from every where around the world...hahaha....yeah yeah yeah... mai pen rai...

what happning now in 21th century...Media no influrence to any one any more..becouse we know where to find out the true...

Now when we listening to the media. or look we not 100% believe them...we listen and we go to find out the true ..from other IT ..website( that u can reliable to) ..and we can think and put every thing together ..then we know who is a lier..or who speak only half story


Normaly what media report it is true ( half of it) BUT they not write all out...They write half.( The one that public want to read ).of the story and ,other half...(the one will make story finished quicked then they got nothing to write next day)...Mixed all story up....make it confuseto the public..

Ok may be I have nagrative thinking about them...sorry...

By the way...we r Thaipeople dont care what ever BBC or Cnn or any report about thailand or thai goverment in good ways or bad ways...what we care" r they report the True....that most important..."


One thing I wonder how can they reported what happened in the prison that britishs and Americans Soliders did bad thing to the Arab prisoner...

i dotn agree what They did to the Arab prisoner..it was very bad and ,They need punishing...but it is good time to report That to the world ...during this situation ..

r they reporters....think abit...if this picture or story go around the world..will make The terrorit More angry...or even Muslim who love the peace will be sad and angry..????

and they r going to Pay back..and Howmany people will dies...YES Humen right...but...Dont they think..it really Good idea for now to report that..to the world...

Best seller news paper and the other media in the next day may be for a week...hahahaha....SO sadd...BIG money...

Is it call Busienss or born to be repoter by heart and spirit..???

what the point to apologies after....Money in the pocket...already...CRAP..!!!!

what i try to say....i dont mind to listen to them but i also have to find out the true also..not just belive every thing That they put in myhead...

if they want to report ..ok..just report follow the Tv..Picture . but if they want to critizice they need more evidence to critizice..not just write what they r thinking or they no have any knowlage about story what they r going to critizice...

I know i talk lot of crab...But..i have to speak it all out ...from what i am thinking about the media Now...

evillady

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Yes i admited lot of work delay. and Pm Thaksin admited that also ..many work should finished on2 9th Sep 2005.... but not mean finished all...or compete on 29th 2005 and still impossible to open On 29th Sep.2005


the news report That ....right...lest me say something...THE FACT...if..the Airport really finished and competed on 29th Sep 2005..


THE FACT...The new airport still cannt open coz IATA need to appoved and test The new airport for 6 months or More till IATA be sure about the safty and other thing...

This is the fact..and Knowlage that reporters should report to the public also.. No any meadia talk about IATA any thing..

and many job delay...I think that good thing mean it very clean and good job....why.....coz mean no one can pay under the table for any goverment official to appoved their job...

1 /Delay ..The day they send the work...NIBA or who ever have to appoved the job ok...many job not ok ..they need to do again till it go to NIBA standard....

2/ some work need to joint with other work..right...mean if the 1/ Job Not pass appoved by NIBA mean other job need to wait..till other job finished the they can competed their work....

3/ many company have problem with their suppier...coz every thing meterail go up..and the contractor have problem...coz many thing delivery delay...( about oil problem )

4/ other case....

not mean only delay becoz curruption . Only

..if it curruption.. its wont delay ..all will apporved..coz under the table..like the old world did..

....and as i told u...The new airport it many new technology..it take time to understand..and...I would like to tell u...

NIBA need super good job why..????coz the new airport will have to approved By IATA ( international Air transport Association) and other ..


IATA will tell NIBA what to do about new airport....NOT NIBA want to do it...

AND THE OTHRE FACTS....JBIC Give us money 73.000Million baht not for free....THE FACT do u think JBIC will lets u corruption that easy...

any MEDIA talk about this FACTS


NBIA has retained a project management consultancy team to assist and advise in managing the development and construction of the Suvarnabhumi Airport Project, which is considered as the largest in the world. The PMC team comprises of the followings:

Project Management Consultant (PMC)

Pacific Consultants International (PCI)

Roge and Associates Co., Ltd

Epsilon Co., Ltd

Asian Engineering Consultants Co., Ltd

and the Democrat party still not happy with all these company..said all these company no good.....why..???




and any one want to go and have a look..New airport Now.NO....do u know how many engineers from the other country came to look This project...??.

even Singropro came more offent....hahaha why..???

THE BEST WAY TO FIND THE FACT GO and have LOOK WITH YOUR OWN EYES PLEASEEEE.....


This new airport will be One of the best airport in the world and we R Thai people very pound of it...

and In 9 months The important Job will finished but not compete for sure..coz still lot of thing to do out side the terminal .

If the important part finished...And IATA appoved Then we can open..( but not compeate) THE FACTS

.but still need to wait for transportation..and .Other project....BTS from Makason to new airport... and other thing to be compeated That can be 5 years more to compete

we want to do same as Hongkong have Sky train from town to the airport..and we need to make any thing convenion for the passengers...

and who ever delay have to pay for The fine


"never wait for any one to tell u ..if u want to know the true go find out..not just sit and wait....."


"never wait for goverment to help u...help yourself ..get up and do something....not justsit and bla bla bla...."

"people who know nothing about what r they talking about ... not mean they r stupid..Just find out and learned then u will know what r u talking about.."

"respect yourself fist then be good person..it wil last long.."

"Good person but not respect yourself...one day u will lost all good heart coz u let other people take advanced from u till u have enuff..."



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evillady wrote: They r talking about....serious....also Some TV medai....they r so nagrative and Thinking only their face.... lets me tell u what.
Doesnt help with that loon that runs the country trying to buy it all either does it?

"Own the media and you own the people, keep them stupid and they'll keep voting for me."

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Good afternoon BUKSIda..,

How r u ? r we going to talk about MATI Chon newspaper. dearest


who want to buy the media ..darling. Why dont u ask the Media back.?/

why The media put the company In Stock market. ? he took lot money from share holder .( that also Thaipeople ) and he also sale his own share till only 20% left

and that the problem That why his Set is down but it should be better price.coz he not a good management.

So the big lot share holder need money back darling. Then The Grammy see that oppotunity to trial take over. It normal for business.

it is normal for every where around the world isnt it.. TRIAL Takeover.

This is a very good lesson for Company who want to play in Stock market
The owner of company should keep share holder more Than 51 % and manage company well ..and will make profit to give to other shareholder

MAY I ASK WHY HE PUT HIS MEDIA IN STOCK MARKET..????




Pm thaksin not need to buy any media sweetheart..he have got UBC he can talk all night if he want...

he can set his own newspaper if he wants.

Thaksin never try to make Thai people stupid...Darling

THEFACT....MOBILE PHONE very used full for up country people Kid can talk with papa mama..when they have to come to work in town..

.and MOBILE PHONE bring u to the world ..Yes or No


THEFACT..UBC very good program...Discovery chanel, history chanel, lot of chanel from abord for many thai to learned or see what happend outside Thailand...Yes or no also MONEY chanel very good..


THEFACT...settelit Thaicom very good for give Knowlage for thai people..


THEFACT . COMPUTER NOTE BOOK That from old project...the cheap one...its good enuff to lets thai people to search the new world darling..


I not see Pm thaksin closed thaipeople eyes or ears or mouths...but i think they choose to do that themself. by not find out the knowlaged .


.have computer but Play game or look porn...

have settelit but watch only crab program ( thai drama)

have Mobile phone but talk crab with friend or Bf or even drive car or ride on Bick..keep talking ..

what can u help them more if they dont help themself...



U cannt feed your kid any more if he/she 40 yraes old ...


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evillady wrote: Pm thaksin not need to buy any media sweetheart..he have got UBC he can talk all night if he want...
Anything that is anti-government on the internet is blocked in this country, I wonder why that is?

You voted for him, I rest my case.
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