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govt considers longer lease terms

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Government considers longer leasehold terms
PARISTA YUTHAMANOP & KANANA KATHARANGSIPORN

The government is considering allowing greater foreign ownership in property firms and extending leasehold periods beyond 30 years to stimulate the business, according to Finance Minister Surapong Suebwonglee.


The amendment would stimulate market segments that have been hit by sluggish demand, he said yesterday.


''This has been discussed quite seriously over the past two to three months. We need to think about the percentage of shareholding and leasing access compared with the number of years. The crisis that we have had in the past two years led us to think and look at a new paradigm,'' he said at an investor forum held by Euromoney.


Dr Surapong said the government would consider new rules on leasing more on par with the region. The government has also abandoned a controversial proposed change to the Foreign Business Act, which tightened the definition of foreign ownership to promote foreign direct investment, he added.


Longlom Bunnag, the chairman of the real estate agency Jones Lang LaSalle (Thailand), said property related to tourism and recreation was expected to benefit the most from any changes because of high demand.


''Existing laws allow foreigners to secure 50-year leaseholds in Bangkok's red zone, which is the commercial area such as on Sathon Road. ... I think Phuket, Samui and Pattaya may be in the government's sights for changes in regulations to benefit villas, resorts and long-stay travellers,'' he said.


Mr Longlom said the idea could improve Thailand's competitiveness, since many countries now offered longer leaseholds _ for instance, 50 years in China and Hong Kong and 99 years in Singapore. ''Thailand has the shortest eligible period for lease contracts.''


Issara Boonyoung, vice-president of Housing Business Association, disagreed with the idea of allowing foreigners to freely conduct transactions related to exchange of properties because it could restrict housing access for Thais.


''Thai people have lower purchasing power than foreigners. If the government allows foreigners to sell or buy freely, there will be no land left for Thais,'' he said.


Foreign ownership should have conditions and limitations, he said. For example, the government should continue protecting land for agricultural purposes due to its low prices, otherwise the country may lose most of its land to foreigners.


Regarding the increase in the foreign quota in condominiums from 49%, the government should limit the size of land plots to prevent developers from using legal loopholes to register townhouses as condo units, Mr Issara said.


However, Assoc Prof Manop Bhongsadadt of Chulalongkorn University said the issue was ''very sensitive'' and unlikely to survive the three readings required in Parliament to change the law.


It would be easier to extend leasehold periods from the current 30 years to 90 years as in the UK, he said. ''It will turn illegal transactions as in Phuket and Samui into legal transactions. The government is likely to collect more taxes.''


Mr Issara also agreed that extended leaseholds would create transparency and prevent the use of nominees. However, he said longer leaseholds and higher foreign quotas in condominiums should be allowed only in specific areas.

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'IF' this happens the thai land owners will be happy, how much would people pay to have the extra period printed on the land title ? loadsamoney

everyone currently on a lease best dig it out and see if you have the all important clause about rights should there be any future ammendments to the law, you'll see if you're solicitor was worth his salt

i think the more unethical land owners could just transfer the land to their wife though, and she'll charge you the fee instead :shock:
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Thats all very well but I still think they should look at foreigners that have been on non-immigrant visas for over 5 consecutive years and let them own upto a rai of land. Its not going to run out that quick and those foreigners have already proved themselves to Thailand after that length of time. With a lease the land is always still in the Thai owners name.
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yeah agree, but cant see that happening unfortunately

it would be a massive improvement though, it would see out everyone's lifetime which is the biggest concern, it you're 30 years runs out and you're still alive at 80
also anyone who was going to have kids in the future, or now, would know their kids would be secure home-wise until they grew up and could fend for themselves

it would be like a long term rental, but lets say a 2.5M baht that rents for 12,000 baht a month:
over a 70 year lease you would pay 2,900 baht a month if you bought it, theres a bit to factor in for lost interest on the capital investment
if you rented it for the same period you'd pay 10M baht
so in theory you put in the bank the saved rent and you take your 7.5M baht (plus interest) out of the bank when you kicked off the land
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what would this do to the condo market ?
cheap condo anyone ?


what would this do to the rental market ?
cheaper rents for sure
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I don't normally stick my nose in on these property threads any more, but will add my thoughts here.
What's wrong with giving farangs a 125 years lease? It's what I've got on my property in London. There will still be 100 years on it when the mortgage is paid off. That's a valuable asset. But I won't "own it". The freeholders have the land.
However, in the UK, the freeholder can't unreasonably refuse their permission for the leaseholder to purchase the freehold. Amount of money is up for negotiation, but can go to arbitration if necessary.
I'm not in a pipe dream to ever think that Thailand would allow freehold, but the extension of leaseholds and therefore affording some sort of security to offspring, if necessary, would be a move in the right direction. The farang can't own outright, but can protect their investment.
Super Joe summed it up nicely.
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It would definitely be a good thing for us Farangs and it wouldn’t cause any ripples with the Thais, after all if you can have a lease changing the length of it is hardly a large step politically, it isn’t a change in direction as such.
The only thing is I can hardly see it stimulating the property market when you look at what is happening in that sector around the world.
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Super Joe wrote:what would this do to the condo market ?
cheap condo anyone ?
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Its mostly Thais who buy condos in Hua Hin Joe so I can't see longer leases affecting the value of condos.

I don't follow your logic regarding cheaper rents either. Are you insinuating more people would want to buy houses rather than rent thereby making less people looking to rent? What about more people buying houses in order to rent them out, thereby more houses for rent?

I can only see longer leases as being a boost to the Ferang property market which of course is a great thing, but don't think it will be detrimental or affect condo or rental prices.

It might however, cause a few legal arguments between some landlords refusing to extend the leases and leaser's getting up-in-arms about this, but first things first, talk is cheap, lets wait on whether speculation turns to reality.
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hi jockey,
no didn't say hua hin condos, wouldn't restrict property investment to just one place

many people who want to buy choose renting instead because 30 years is not long enough and they're not happy with limited companies
so if they buy instead of rent, demand is less and prices usually drop

your comment - "What about more people buying houses in order to rent them out, thereby more houses for rent?"
if more houses for rent, that could make rents lower too
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Any further news on this topic?

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I was wandering if there were anymore updates?
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Re: Any further news on this topic?

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rainmaker wrote:I was wandering if there were anymore updates?
I know of no more updates on this. Thai politics have too many other important issues to deal with IMO. It was almost a non story anyway. "Thinking about maybe going to do something in the future" All very vague IMO.
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lomuamart wrote:I don't normally stick my nose in on these property threads any more, but will add my thoughts here.
What's wrong with giving farangs a 125 years lease? It's what I've got on my property in London. There will still be 100 years on it when the mortgage is paid off. That's a valuable asset. But I won't "own it". The freeholders have the land.
However, in the UK, the freeholder can't unreasonably refuse their permission for the leaseholder to purchase the freehold. Amount of money is up for negotiation, but can go to arbitration if necessary.
I'm not in a pipe dream to ever think that Thailand would allow freehold, but the extension of leaseholds and therefore affording some sort of security to offspring, if necessary, would be a move in the right direction. The farang can't own outright, but can protect their investment.
Super Joe summed it up nicely.

Correct

More important is who is the real owner
Even with a 1000 year lease you nevver wil be the owner .;
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