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Dannie Boy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:31 pm The MG4 wins a Car of the Year award in the UK!!
Must admit, looks very good for the price and hardly a poor performance.
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I'm tempted by the MG4 as well for Thailand. One advantage with MG is that they have been in Thailand for a good few years now and have an established dealer network unlike some of these other Chinese brands.
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If it wasn’t for governments around the world moving towards banning ICE these battery powered cars would disappear very quickly. Most of us can understand their limitations and simply don’t want them.
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2/cb wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:58 pm If it wasn’t for governments around the world moving towards banning ICE these battery powered cars would disappear very quickly. Most of us can understand their limitations and simply don’t want them.
If there wasn't a market for them, then there wouldn't be currently 59 makes, 144 models, 320 model variants and that list is not even up to date. Also if big oil/fossil fuel didn't control the politicians, the EV tech would have been develop to the excellent level it is now, a whole lot sooner
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My prediction is that within 10 years, electric cars will get to be so good that virtually no one will be interested in buying anything else.
The technology is developing almost every day, there are experimental battery types that are offering three to six times the energy density of the present ones.
That would mean as much range as you could ever want and even the most basic models being light enough to have blistering performance.
I hope there aren't too many fossil fuelled clunkers still on the road to get in the way!
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STEVE G wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:36 am My prediction is that within 10 years, electric cars will get to be so good that virtually no one will be interested in buying anything else.
Already there IMHO. More than enough affordable choices for most people. If having the funds, range is available if you really need or are so inpatient and enjoy driving more than 3 hrs without a break.

With the limited offerings here/TH, there is something for everyone, from 549k & up
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KhunLA wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:13 pm
STEVE G wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:36 am My prediction is that within 10 years, electric cars will get to be so good that virtually no one will be interested in buying anything else.
Already there IMHO. More than enough affordable choices for most people. If having the funds, range is available if you really need or are so inpatient and enjoy driving more than 3 hrs without a break.

With the limited offerings here/TH, there is something for everyone, from 549k & up
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I think Steve’s post is more relevant - at the moment there are many doubters who are not yet convinced that an EV suits their lifestyle, but within 5 years or 10 at maximum, the available vehicles will surely suit all needs. Personally I’m in favour of adopting but still don’t think that what’s currently on offer suits all of my needs at the price I’m willing to pay, but am confident that within 5 years or so, there will be something that meets my needs.
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Well, the average figures above screws many expats, yet alone the two thirds of Thais in employment, who earn between 150k - 170k per year. Prices simply have to become more affordable.
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Anyone considering a new car, and planning on spending close to 800k anyway, the MG EP is pretty hard to pass up. Especially if they consider the low maintenance and operating cost vs an ICE of same price.

EP being spec'd about the same as ZS
Work those numbers into how many kms you drive a year
and you're saving quite a few baht.
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caller wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:48 pm Well, the average figures above screws many expats, yet alone the two thirds of Thais in employment, who earn between 150k - 170k per year. Prices simply have to become more affordable.
The two best selling petrol cars in Thailand, the Toyota Vios and Honda City both cost more than the Neta V ev mentioned above.
I accept that you can't afford to buy any car on 150-170k a year but that's a problem beyond the scope of this thread.
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STEVE G wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:58 pm I accept that you can't afford to buy any car on 150-170k a year but that's a problem beyond the scope of this thread.
To a degree yes, but to suggest all that will be built in 10 years, is electric, isn't take into account the reality and needs of poorer Countries, or those on low wages, like the majority of Thais.
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I would suggest that in Thailand, an electric car connected to solar panels would be a lot cheaper in the long run than any fossil fuel vehicle.
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STEVE G wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:56 pm I would suggest that in Thailand, an electric car connected to solar panels would be a lot cheaper in the long run than any fossil fuel vehicle.
I'm sure you're right, but in 10 years?

It's 26 years since Toyota introduced the first commercial hybrid engine. I think that time scale is more realistic.
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STEVE G wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:56 pm I would suggest that in Thailand, an electric car connected to solar panels would be a lot cheaper in the long run than any fossil fuel vehicle.
We charge ours up with solar.

Really depends on people's needs, budget, and age of course. I (68), might, hopefully, see ROI (250k over ICE), of the ZS, as ZS (ICE (695k) & EV(949k) not exactly inexpensive, IF live long enough and do our usually 20k kms a year. Wife, 23 yrs younger, will definitely reap the benefits, and with luck, might be her last car.

EV ROI vs ICE (MG ZS) ... @ ฿250k cost. 8yrs X 20k kms = 160k kms. I used 8 yrs, as the car is till under warranty.

160k kms = ฿576k for petrol @ 10km/L @ ฿36/L, so ROI for us should be rather quick. Half of those kms locally, and charged up with excess solar at the house, so basically free.

Other half, will be while Out & About, and using charging stations, so 8 baht at worse, from #s above. Still saving 1000 baht every 360 kms at today's petrol price, again, from #s above.

If someone actually put those 20k on locally, then they would realize the whole 500k+ over 8 yrs. Actually MG thinks you put on 25k, or 180k kms just looks good in the brochure.

Anyone going to spend 800k or 1 mill on their next car, really should get an EV. MG with their good track record and dealer network, and 2 excellent choice at low & high end of that;
MG EP 771K
MG ZS 949K

2 other, MG4, MG ES, priced in between, I think.
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