Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[2/cb]

Sorry chaps but EVs just don’t cut it for most users. There’s a lot of wishful thinking on this thread. I’ll stick with my petrol Toyota for the foreseeable.

[Dannie Boy]

Even though you might eventually break even, a lot of people do far less than 20,000 kms a year - I don’t do even 10k, so your 20k is closer to 3 years driving for me!!

Also, this thread is about generic EV’s not just those in Thailand, so for example the costs in the UK are quite different, where electricity is currently the equivalent of nearly 15B a unit charged at home and often double or more at public charging stations.

[pharvey]

Even though you might eventually break even, a lot of people do far less than 20,000 kms a year - I don’t do even 10k, so your 20k is closer to 3 years driving for me!!

Also, this thread is about generic EV’s not just those in Thailand, so for example the costs in the UK are quite different, where electricity is currently the equivalent of nearly 15B a unit charged at home and often double or more at public charging stations.

Quite right DB. For me in the UK, you have to look at numerous points - Tax on emissions, charges, "Clean Air Zones" and charges (Bristol, UK for eg, my car is £9 per day!!! Though I rarely go there..). Tax on fuel (Petrol 20p per ltr cheaper than diesel in UK), import duties (Thailand I believe far better than the UK), "charges for charging" quite different around the UK (when and where it's available)...... All in all, costs of having an EV vs ICE are not as straightforward as many people believe.

[STEVE G]

I just want to know which one to buy!
Incidentally, 53% of vehicles sold in Europe in the last quarter of 2022 had a non-traditional drive train, either pure hybrid, plug in hybrid, BEV or hydrogen, so the pure ICE car is already on its way out.

[pharvey]

I just want to know which one to buy!
Incidentally, 53% of vehicles sold in Europe in the last quarter of 2022 had a non-traditional drive train, either pure hybrid, plug in hybrid, BEV or hydrogen, so the pure ICE car is already on its way out.

Personally, I believe the way to go for the next few years at least is a "Plug-in-Hybrid" unless you're buying a budget EV and doing very limited mileage.

[STEVE G]

Solar panels on your car port has got to be better than this:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... d-gas-firm

[Dannie Boy]

Another “breakthrough” in EV battery technology, offering better battery performance at lower cost - it doesn’t indicate hen this might become commercially available but as with everything else in this arena, a step in the right direction.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/ ... st-hos-pfm

[KhunLA]

Really depends on people's needs, budget, and age of course.

Guess I need to add, living location, as I always assume everyone lives in TH, when actually it's the opposite.

IF in TH, and not here because you simply can't afford to live in home country, which case you wouldn't be spending 549k or 949k on new car anyway.

Then EVs & solar is a no brainer here in TH. Even if no solar, the operating & maintenance cost, is so much less than ICEs.

If not going for a car, or only need your car during the rain or shopping, then a few electric motorbikes out there, if just knocking around HH. No need for top end speed or distance. We have a DECO E-MB and love it. On it almost everyday, weather permitting, when dog takes me to the park for my morning walk.

DECO now getting the govt incentives, and scooters start at < ฿30k.

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https://decogreenenergy.com/index.php/th/

2 dealers in HH area, and we got ours from 'EV Pranburi' (Gmap), and highly recommend.

[Big Boy]

I read all of this, but still worry about the longevity of the electric vehicles. Within my family we have 4 Scoopys aged 13, 12, 11 and 7 years. They are all used daily, and apart from the occasional new battery or tyre just keep on going, and are as good now as the day they were purchased. Current motorcycles are the workhorses of Thailand and extremely reliable.

My youngest granddaughter starts Uni at the place just before Khao Tao soon, and wants a motorcycle for daily commuting. Financially, it makes good sense to buy electric, but I keep asking myself, "How long will it last?" Yes, of course it should see her through her Uni years, but will it still be as efficient in 10 years time? If it's not broke, why fix it?

Having said that, I've recently bought Mrs BB a 3 wheeler battery powered motorcycle, for use as an invalid carriage, just for visiting local shops, eateries and the hairdresser. We are delighted with it, and it has restored a lot of her independence. We just charge it every Friday night, so basic running costs are negligible. It only cost 21K, so is basically a throw away item if it goes tits up, but it is filling a big hole in Mrs BB's life at the moment.

[KhunLA]

Financially, it makes good sense to buy electric, but I keep asking myself, "How long will it last?" Yes, of course it should see her through her Uni years, but will it still be as efficient in 10 years time? If it's not broke, why fix it?

https://zecar.com/resources/how-long-do ... eries-last

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For a cost (petrol) comparison, I posted this elsewhere:
https://aseannow.com/topic/1246109-ice- ... t-17962634

MODS: if link not allowed, apologies, Please edit out

[2/cb]

Another “breakthrough” in EV battery technology, offering better battery performance at lower cost - it doesn’t indicate hen this might become commercially available but as with everything else in this arena, a step in the right direction.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/ ... st-hos-pfm

All the more reason not to buy an EV. In a few years, yes possibly. But not now.

[KhunLA]

Another “breakthrough” in EV battery technology, offering better battery performance at lower cost - it doesn’t indicate hen this might become commercially available but as with everything else in this arena, a step in the right direction.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/ ... st-hos-pfm

All the more reason not to buy an EV. In a few years, yes possibly. But not now.

Depends how young you are. MG got a good track record, using LFP, and worked out all the kinks the past couple upgrades and can't see anything new being mass produced any time soon. I'll be long gone when it is.

Pretty sure our MG ZS is my last car, and probably my wife's, especially if lasts even close to projected life span of battery & motors.

Now is probably the best time, if you go out & about a lot, as the CSs per EVs is a nice ratio, in favor of the EVs. Fairly no Qs during the week, (yet to see one), though weekends, depending where, may have to reserve your slot.

[STEVE G]

Another “breakthrough” in EV battery technology, offering better battery performance at lower cost - it doesn’t indicate hen this might become commercially available but as with everything else in this arena, a step in the right direction.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/ ... st-hos-pfm

All the more reason not to buy an EV. In a few years, yes possibly. But not now.

If you wait too long, you'll miss the 150,000bt subsidy from the Thai government.
I like the idea of free stuff from governments because it doesn't happen very often and after that I'm going to drive around for free on solar charging.
I'm actually a bit baffled by why so many people think that buying petrol is a good thing.

[KhunLA]

If you wait too long, you'll miss the 150,000bt subsidy from the Thai government.
I like the idea of free stuff from governments because it doesn't happen very often and after that I'm going to drive around for free on solar charging.
I'm actually a bit baffled by why so many people think that buying petrol is a good thing.

Ours was ฿240,000 govt incentive, and since having the MG ZS already, and love the car, pretty much -0- risk of buyer regret. More power, less noise & vibration, there really is no comparison, ICE vs EV.

Definitely a fan and would never go back to an ICE.

Free sh!t from govt is nice. Last car brand, before MGs, was the Mazda2, and ฿100,000 rebate for that one

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[Dannie Boy]

There’s nothing wrong with todays EV’s that a better battery wouldn’t improve on. The talk is of better charging rates, better distance and lower weight together with promised price reductions - enough reasons to wait a bit longer in my view? Of course if you “have” to change your car now then by all means go for an EV, but if you can wait 2-3 years then that’s what I’d recommend to see if any of these promises come to fruition, but I’m sure Some of our Forum members will disagree!!