Vaccines - Covid 19

[hhinner]

Just got back from BKK having taken my MIL for her 1st AZ dose. Interestingly, her appointment for her 2nd jab is 12 weeks away despite the recent news that interval times are being reduced to 8 weeks.

It's been a long day. Never got out of the car once. Taking no chances.

Where did you pee? Do you have a Comfort 100 from way back when they were a car accessory in Bangkok?

[HHTel]

Haha. Went before I left and had nothing to drink until now. A mug of coffee and a gin and tonic. I feel much better!

[caller]

When I head back from Bkk, I now stop at a little LPG garage heading to Phetchaburi and not far past the garages that have KFC and then McSplodge shortly after you turn off 35. There's no shop and just a small, very clean toilet block in the far corner, which is never used. I tend to stop there for about 10 minutes or so, just for a pee and a break.

[lomuamart]

Maybe, like some of us, I'm just tired of all the angles that this virus presents and especially the volte face that Thailand gives its country every day.

I'm appreciative of all the efforts that some members put in but I must admit that I'm no clearer about when I might get my first jab and that's scheduled for 8th July.

I'm just going to turn up at the hospital on said date and see what happens.

Chok dii.

[Osandpo]

Seems a lot of new vaccination appointments have been uploaded here
http://www.pcko.moph.go.th/check.html?f ... SL1mbTZ5zw

[Osandpo]

Seems a lot of new vaccination appointments have been uploaded here
http://www.pcko.moph.go.th/check.html?f ... SL1mbTZ5zw

Looks like the lists are all employees in people-facing roles like schools, government offices, banks etc. There are some non-Thai names shown on some of the school listings

[hhinner]

Seems a lot of new vaccination appointments have been uploaded here
http://www.pcko.moph.go.th/check.html?f ... SL1mbTZ5zw

Looks like the lists are all employees in people-facing roles like schools, government offices, banks etc. There are some non-Thai names shown on some of the school listings

These are provincial and district officials and employees, teachers both public and private schools, banks, etc. Sinovac probably.

[pharvey]

Well, more questions over the Sinovac (and likely other "Sino") vaccine(s) - a worrying stat for Thailand which has used and ordered several million doses of the vaccine (as well as AZ). I wonder what the ratio is considering the Sinovac vaccine is being produced under licence in Thailand (I believe)?

"At least 10 out of 26 Indonesian doctors who have died from Covid-19 this month had been fully vaccinated with Sinovac, prompting authorities to consider whether medics should receive alternative doses to boost immunity.

Indonesia, which has relied on the Chinese-made vaccine for its health workers, is struggling with a new surge in coronavirus cases. The latest outbreak, driven by new variants, has overwhelmed hospitals and burial sites in Jakarta and on the island of Java. On Monday the country announced 20,694 new infections.

In Kudus, a town in central Java, more than 500 medical workers have tested positive for Covid-19 over the last two weeks, including one doctor who died. All were fully vaccinated.

The data, released by the Indonesian Medical Association, adds to questions about the level of protection that Sinovac provides against new, more infectious variants."

Full Article @ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ac-vaccine

[Ratsima]

Guam's vaccination program for people residing out of the US is now open. They call it Air V&V (Vaccination - Vacation). It looks pretty easy, but you have to stay in one of several designated hotels. Vaccines available are Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson/Janssen. If you opt for the latter you might be able to get away with staying only a few days as only one jab is required.

The kicker is trying to get back into Thailand. Trying to figure that out was more than I could handle this morning: Visas and COE during COVID situation

[hhinner]

Well, more questions over the Sinovac (and likely other "Sino") vaccine(s) - a worrying stat for Thailand which has used and ordered several million doses of the vaccine (as well as AZ). I wonder what the ratio is considering the Sinovac vaccine is being produced under licence in Thailand (I believe)?

Only AZ being produced in Thailand. Or so rumour has it.

[Dannie Boy]

Well, more questions over the Sinovac (and likely other "Sino") vaccine(s) - a worrying stat for Thailand which has used and ordered several million doses of the vaccine (as well as AZ). I wonder what the ratio is considering the Sinovac vaccine is being produced under licence in Thailand (I believe)?

Only AZ being produced in Thailand. Or so rumour has it.

And not a lot of that!!


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[handdrummer]

If you want to go to war, you need generals in charge, if you want to govern a nation, you don't want generals in charge.

[PeteC]

My glass is really half empty on this one. If the Chinese vaccines were effective against the Delta variant, the Chinese Gov. would be shouting it from the rooftops. What we get instead is silence, double talk and spin. In my opinion none of the Chinese vaccines give adequate protection against this Delta, and that's very worrying for Thailand and those who have already been given it.


Are Chinese Covid-19 shots effective against the Delta variant?

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/21404 ... a-variant-

BEIJING: Many countries from China to Indonesia and Brazil rely heavily on Chinese vaccines to inoculate their people against Covid-19, but there are growing concerns about whether they provide enough protection against the Delta variant, first identified in India.

Below are views from China's health experts about the effectiveness of home-grown vaccines against the Delta, which is becoming the globally dominant variant, and virus preventive measures China is taking.

Do Chinese vaccines work against Delta?

China has not provided vaccine effectiveness results against the variant based on large-scale data in clinical trials or real-world use, nor offered detailed information from lab tests, but Chinese experts are urging people to get inoculated as soon as possible.

The lack of detailed data on the Chinese vaccines against the Delta has hobbled any meaningful peer reviews by foreign experts.

Researchers found that Chinese vaccines are somewhat effective in reducing the risk of symptomatic and severe cases caused by Delta, Zhong Nanshan, a epidemiologist who helped shape China's Covid-19 response, told reporters.

It is based on analysis of infections in Guangzhou city, and Zhong told Reuters the results are preliminary and the sample size is small.

Sinovac spokesman Liu Peicheng told Reuters preliminary results based on blood samples from those vaccinated with its shot showed a three-fold reduction in neutralising effect against the Delta.

He said a booster shot following the two dose-based regimen could quickly elicit stronger and more durable antibody reaction against the Delta. However, he didn't provide detailed data.

Antibodies triggered by two Chinese vaccines are less effective against the Delta compared with other variants, Feng Zijian, former deputy director at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, told state media last week.

Feng did not provide details including the name of the two vaccines.

The shots could still offer protection, since none of those vaccinated in southern Guangdong province, where China's first cases of the Delta variant were found, developed severe symptoms. All severe cases are from unvaccinated people.

Jin Dong-Yan, a virologist at the University of Hong Kong, said Feng's comment alone is not enough to back up the claim that Chinese vaccines are effective against severe cases, as more data is needed.

Indonesia, which has reported record daily cases recently due to a surge in the Delta variant, saw hundreds of medical workers infected by the Covid-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac's shot, officials said earlier this month.

It was not immediately clear, however, if the Indonesian medical workers were infected by the Delta variant.

How do they compare with Western shots?

A study by Public Health England (PHE) found in May the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 88% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta two weeks after the second dose.

That compared with 93% effectiveness against the Alpha variant, first identified in Britain.

Two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine were 60% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta compared with 66% effectiveness against the Alpha, PHE said.

There is no substantial data showing how protective Johnson & Johnson's single-dose Covid-19 vaccine is, and US infectious disease experts are weighing the need for booster shots using mRNA vaccines.

How severe was the Guangdong outbreak?

Guangdong, China's major manufacturing and export hub, became the country's biggest cluster of Delta cases since reporting its first locally transmitted Delta variant infection in May.

The Delta infections included 146 cases in Guangdong's capital Guangzhou and several cases from the southern tech hub of Shenzhen and nearby Dongguan city.

No new domestic transmissions of any variant have been reported in the province from June 22.

What has China done?

Guangdong, which has 126 million people, has fast-tracked its vaccination effort since the outbreak. It had administered just 39.15 million doses as of May 19, but the number shot up to 101.12 million by June 20.

Guangzhou, Shenzhen and Dongguan quickly sealed off neighbourhoods where those who were infected and their contacts visited and launched multiple rounds of mass testing, following the protocols observed during previous outbreaks.

The cities also required those travelling out of the province to show proof of negative Covid-19 test results.

Zhong, the epidemiologist, said that without effective control measures 7.3 million people in Guangzhou city would have been infected in the first 20 to 30 days after the initial case.

[HHTel]

He went out of his way (Daily Brief) to defend Sinovac which has had a lot of bad press recently.

[PeteC]

He went out of his way (Daily Brief) to defend Sinovac which has had a lot of bad press recently.

He has no choice, he's being instructed for sure. The last thing these authorities need is an open rebellion against Chinese vaccine. It may be coming anyway, especially if fully vaccinated people start falling seriously ill, and just as important, continue to spread the disease.