Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[KhunLA]

I don’t think it’s trues to say there’s a strong resistance in the UK - in 2022 there was a 20% increase in BEV/PHEV sales compared to 2021. There has been a blip quite recently in used EV car prices - if that trend continues it could prove detrimental to new car sales.

Agree, as I've seen a couple posts elsewhere that counter that thinking, but didn't feel like sourcing the info to counter the 'resistance' thought expressed. Sales are still brisk, along with a strong 2nd hand market in UK. A little research points that out. Not in UK, so don't care ... but disagree with the 'resistance' idea, and simply wrong IMHO

[STEVE G]

There’s nothing obsolete about petrol or Diesel engines

The countries phasing out internal combustion engines
https://techxplore.com/news/2023-03-cou ... ustion.amp

[2/cb]

There’s nothing obsolete about petrol or Diesel engines

The countries phasing out internal combustion engines
https://techxplore.com/news/2023-03-cou ... ustion.amp

This is somewhat disingenuous. Some governments are mandating so-called zero-emission vehicles, banning the sale of petrol and diesel cars in a few years time. This is hardly people choosing the best product for themselves. In a free market, very few would buy an EV.
I know that EVs will improve, but at the moment they just aren’t good enough and are poor value for money.

[2/cb]

Update from GB news:
Catastrophic depreciation being suffered by EVs. Example given is the BMW i3, 2020 purchase price £39000, value 2023 £13900. Petrol equivalent, 2020 new price £32000, value 2023 £22300.

[KhunLA]

Update from GB news:
Catastrophic depreciation being suffered by EVs. Example given is the BMW i3, 2020 purchase price £39000, value 2023 £13900. Petrol equivalent, 2020 new price £32000, value 2023 £22300.

That's why savvy shoppers, don't buy things, especially electronics, newer tech, until the bugs are worked out & avoid 'got to have' mode, when limited competition is available.

Look at price of phones, computers, camera, hard drives, TVs pricing now, compared to when first introduced. Imagine buying a Tesla just the past year, and new ones are now cheaper than you paid. Good luck selling that for the price you hoped, if a buyer of new cars ever couple years.

I paid more for crappy camcorder & point & shoot cameras in the past, than my fancy mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Same with silly prices I paid for phones 10+ yrs ago w/crappy camera, compared to what I have now.

People paid ฿1.2m for the same ZS that we bought for ฿949k one year later, and ours is better, w/larger battery. Exactly why I waited, knowing incentives were coming sooner or later, thankfully sooner I thought. Actually way sooner, or we wouldn't have bought the ICE version just 2 yrs prior, losing a bit more than wanting when selling that. Usually hold on to a car for 150k kms, not 39k

Was very happy with our ICE version of same ZS, and ฿500k more for EV, would be hard to justify. Paying more than 1M for any 4 wheels would be hard for me to justify. I'm not a car person, as ฿700k for the ICE version was a stretch, but that's just the price now for entry level cars with any comfort.

Same with the MG EP, as sure a few with buyer regret when same is offered for ฿771 vs ฿1M 15 months ago, again, w/larger battery.

Competition is a beautiful thing, if you weren't the first or in 'got to have' first mode.

[Dannie Boy]

Update from GB news:
Catastrophic depreciation being suffered by EVs. Example given is the BMW i3, 2020 purchase price £39000, value 2023 £13900. Petrol equivalent, 2020 new price £32000, value 2023 £22300.

That's why savvy shoppers, don't buy things, especially electronics, newer tech, until the bugs are worked out & avoid 'got to have' mode, when limited competition is available.

Look at price of phones, computers, camera, hard drives, TVs pricing now, compared to when first introduced. Imagine buying a Tesla just the past year, and new ones are now cheaper than you paid. Good luck selling that for the price you hoped, if a buyer of new cars ever couple years.

I paid more for crappy camcorder & point & shoot cameras in the past, than my fancy mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Same with silly prices I paid for phones 10+ yrs ago w/crappy camera, compared to what I have now.

People paid ฿1.2m for the same ZS that we bought for ฿949k one year later, and ours is better, w/larger battery. Exactly why I waited, knowing incentives were coming sooner or later, thankfully sooner I thought. Actually way sooner, or we wouldn't have bought the ICE version just 2 yrs prior, losing a bit more than wanting when selling that. Usually hold on to a car for 150k kms, not 39k

Was very happy with our ICE version of same ZS, and ฿500k more for EV, would be hard to justify. Paying more than 1M for any 4 wheels would be hard for me to justify. I'm not a car person, as ฿700k for the ICE version was a stretch, but that's just the price now for entry level cars with any comfort.

Same with the MG EP, as sure a few with buyer regret when same is offered for ฿771 vs ฿1M 15 months ago, again, w/larger battery.

Competition is a beautiful thing, if you weren't the first or in 'got to have' first mode.

Sorry but that’s a load of old b********s - one minute you’re advocating people should be buying EV’s, next you’re saying just don’t rush in, wait a few more years!!

[KhunLA]

Sorry but that’s a load of old b********s - one minute you’re advocating people should be buying EV’s, next you’re saying just don’t rush in, wait a few more years!!

NO, the wait, should have been a few years ago. Now, no problem, unless buying a Tesla, as they may, or may not be lowering their price here Although, as long as demand is high, it won't happen. But ... it will happen.

MG EP, ES, ZS, aren't going to get any less expensive, and no new tech ready for mass production, let alone available here. Maybe a larger battery, and a few more bells & whistles, offered at today's price, or a tad more, but nothing to give anyone buyer's regret now. MG does make a 70+kWh battery, that hasn't shown up here yet. Unless driving over the road quite a bit, that not really worth waiting for.

Other brands/models, if liking, then you may want to wait a bit, depending on age, and not totally sold on their offerings. A few brands are new to the market. Other have been around for a while. Especially if a BYD fan, as they seem to be pushing out, bringing a couple new models to market in CH, soon to be here, hopefully. IF there present line up doesn't tickle your fancy, then another model might by the end of the year.

Incentives expire in 2025, for now, and no great revelations/new techd are going to be mass produced before that, so hard to pass up the incentives. ฿240k for our ZS ... that was one hell of an incentive. Same, a tad more for the MG EP if people are seriously interested in an EV, and quite the bargain for the specs.

If hydrogen cell cars were to appear on the market here, then hell yea, people should wait a couple year, before buying in.

Why people don't do a whole lot of research before when buying, is a bit mind boggling.

[caller]

I just spent a few days in Khon Kaen, not one EV charger in the hotel car park. Driving around the city and to a small town about an hour away and back via a different route, plus a visit to Central, there were only 2 definite sightings of EV's, one BYD and one Havel, plus one Tesler in the hotel car park, just by ours. It did however have a very nice red ferrarri!

The point of this tale? It's not uncommon to see them in Hua Hin, it's even more common to see them in Bkk, albeit being charged in Malls. Un-scientific I know, just an observation.

[Dannie Boy]

I just spent a few days in Khon Kaen, not one EV charger in the hotel car park. Driving around the city and to a small town about an hour away and back via a different route, plus a visit to Central, there were only 2 definite sightings of EV's, one BYD and one Havel, plus one Tesler in the hotel car park, just by ours. It did however have a very nice red ferrarri!

The point of this tale? It's not uncommon to see them in Hua Hin, it's even more common to see them in Bkk, albeit being charged in Malls. Un-scientific I know, just an observation.

Not even sure that Haval qualifies - to the best of my knowledge they don’t supply EV’s in Thailand - hybrid at best?

[STEVE G]

I just spent a few days in Khon Kaen, not one EV charger in the hotel car park. Driving around the city and to a small town about an hour away and back via a different route, plus a visit to Central, there were only 2 definite sightings of EV's, one BYD and one Havel, plus one Tesler in the hotel car park, just by ours. It did however have a very nice red ferrarri!

The point of this tale? It's not uncommon to see them in Hua Hin, it's even more common to see them in Bkk, albeit being charged in Malls. Un-scientific I know, just an observation.

Not even sure that Haval qualifies - to the best of my knowledge they don’t supply EV’s in Thailand - hybrid at best?

Those Havel H6's that you see a lot of in Hua Hin are a plug in hybrid but they have an electric range of 200km so for daily use, you can use them as an EV.
Thailand is not a good place to see this transport revolution happening because here in Europe, you see more EV's on the roads every day and Tesla's are everywhere.

[Dannie Boy]

I just spent a few days in Khon Kaen, not one EV charger in the hotel car park. Driving around the city and to a small town about an hour away and back via a different route, plus a visit to Central, there were only 2 definite sightings of EV's, one BYD and one Havel, plus one Tesler in the hotel car park, just by ours. It did however have a very nice red ferrarri!

The point of this tale? It's not uncommon to see them in Hua Hin, it's even more common to see them in Bkk, albeit being charged in Malls. Un-scientific I know, just an observation.

Not even sure that Haval qualifies - to the best of my knowledge they don’t supply EV’s in Thailand - hybrid at best?

Those Havel H6's that you see a lot of in Hua Hin are a plug in hybrid but they have an electric range of 200km so for daily use, you can use them as an EV.
Thailand is not a good place to see this transport revolution happening because here in Europe, you see more EV's on the roads every day and Tesla's are everywhere.

I hadn’t realised that the Haval is available with such a large battery (smaller ones also available) but the larger one does indeed claim a 200 km range, which must be the longest of any PHEV and 3 times what my MG has.


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[KhunLA]

Not even sure that Haval qualifies - to the best of my knowledge they don’t supply EV’s in Thailand - hybrid at best?

GWM makes the Havals; H6, Jolin ... hybrids
and new Tank 500 ... hybrid also
and Ora Good Cat ... BEV (3 versions / 2 battery size)

H6 is really nice, though a bit too much vehicle & price tag for my needs & wants.

[STEVE G]

^Yes, I can see why those Havel H6's are so popular in Thailand, it has a realistic all electric range for daily driving and as a hybrid you don't have to worry about long journeys or a charging network. All that for about the same as a Honda CRV.

[Dannie Boy]

^Yes, I can see why those Havel H6's are so popular in Thailand, it has a realistic all electric range for daily driving and as a hybrid you don't have to worry about long journeys or a charging network. All that for about the same as a Honda CRV.

The Honda CRV has been around for quite a few years and built up a good reputation - let’s see how the Haval fairs in a few years time, but on paper it’s an impressive package.

[STEVE G]

The Tesla Model Y was the the best selling model in Europe in Q1!! All powertrains included!

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/05/08/te ... inent/amp/