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Here's something from WIKI which seems to confuse things more. :shock: :shock: Partial quote:

Luncheon, commonly abbreviated to lunch, is a midday meal.[1]

In English-speaking countries during the eighteenth century what was originally called "dinner"— a word still sometimes used to mean a noontime meal in the UK, and in parts of Canada and the United States — was moved by stages later in the day and came in the course of the nineteenth century to be eaten at night, replacing the light meal called supper, which was delayed by the upper class to midnight.

Lunch was originally intended as a vehicle in which working classes could escape their job and purchase (and sometimes consume) alcoholic beverages, a favourite being pear cider.

The mid-day meal on Sunday and the festival meals on Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving (in the U.S. and Canada) are still often eaten at the old hours, usually either at noon or between two and four in the afternoon, and called dinner. Traditional farming communities also may still commonly have the largest meal of the day at mid-day and refer to this meal as "dinner."

Origin of the term
The abbreviation lunch, in use from 1823,[1] is taken from the more formal "Lunchentach,"[2] which the OED reports from 1580, as a word for a meal that was inserted between more substantial meals........
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As someone who learnt English English I am often more puzzled by the American version.

For instance where did French Fries come from? I am not well up on French cooking but doubt it contains many chips.

Was clicking through the channels on TV about a month ago with the volume turned off when I saw a headline on Fox News "Dove on track"
This got me curious so I turned up the sound, you see to me a Dove is a kind of pigeon and to be on track is to be going in the right direction.

Turns out Dove was some strange corruption of dived (to have jumped head first) and the whole sentance meant that a man had jumped down on to a railway line and helped another who had fallen or been pushed and couldnt get back up.

Strange indeed
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For instance where did French Fries come from? I am not well up on French cooking but doubt it contains many chips.
The French have always accused the Belgiums of inventing them.
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Can we please just accept that there is no single source of English grammar and spelling that is universally correct? I know (or at least I hope) this is all light-hearted, but the British introduced the English language to many countries over a few hundred years, to such an extent that it is still the most commonly used international language.

Stop fussing about trivial differences and be grateful that you don't have to learn umpteen foreign languages in order to be understood almost wherever you go. (However good for you that might be.)
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P.S. French Fries are not chips. They are those 'orrible stringy things you get in MacDonalds (and in Belgium).
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DM while i agree with you up to a point i must point out there is now american english and the Oxford English dictionary definition of marriage the union of a man and a woman has a totally different meaning in the states making the language they use not english :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll: :D :D
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Oh and French Fries are recycled cardboard so there :D :D :mrgreen: :cheers:
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sargeant wrote:DM while i agree with you up to a point i must point out there is now american english and the Oxford English dictionary definition of marriage the union of a man and a woman has a totally different meaning in the states making the language they use not english :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll: :D :D
And the language you use is? :shock: :D
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Born in Reading educated in OXFORD a lot of squaddie some ammersmiff a shade of afro caribean a touch of cockney ENGLISH
i can throw in some brummie a bit of geordie some welsh and jock to boot
I therefore pronounce i speak



.......................................ENGLISH :lach: :dance:
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dtaai-maai wrote:Can we please just accept that there is no single source of English grammar and spelling that is universally correct?
Thanks, sarge - I rest my case! :thumb:
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Ah Hah but when i use the word marriage all know its a man and a woman not a man and a horse sheep pig or dog that is not the case in american english
spelling and grammer i dont care but when they change meanings then its a different language in my book :shock: :shock: :D :D
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"Colonial Variety" is a nice way of puttin' it. I worked with a couple of Brits in Saudi that insisted that I was a "Wog"! I says, "Aren't those East Indians" and they says "No, it applies to any of you colonials!" :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Sarge,
when i use the word marriage all know its a man and a woman not a man and a horse sheep pig or dog that is not the case in american english
I'm American and I never heard of animal marriage! I have known a few farmers that have funny ways they call stump-breakin' a cow or sheep, but that's just an affair, not a marriage! :D
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Suppose it's worth remembering that English is generally a mix of many of the older languages, nicked a lot from everywhere, so the confusion is more understantable as it has morphed massively over a very long time.

Even in the boffin books, they still say that there are simply no answers yet to the source of many words and grammar points. The egg-heads are still "researching" is the vague answer, when it's more truthful just to say "we don't bloody-well have a clue".

As mere mortals maybe we are just supposed to defer to their omni-directional omnipetance. :roll:
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jeeez spitfire quote
"omni-directional omnipetance. "
I sincerely hope you said that after a good bowl of all bran if you didnt a laxitive may be called for :shock: :shock: :D :D :mrgreen:
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