Nereus wrote:And then this. How they make such assumptions is beyond me.
PM: Container not linked to Black May
By: BangkokPost.com
Published: 17/05/2009 at 10:39 AM
The 3m x 6m cargo container under the sea off Juang island in the Gulf of Thailand off Chon Buri's Sattahip district is over 20 years old, and a large number of skulls found on the seabed should not be related to the victims of the 1992 Black May uprising, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Sunday.
To make all concerned parties satisfied, the container would have to be salvaged from the sea for officials to inspect it thoroughly, the premier said.
He said people also asked them to inspect the coral reefs around the area.
Earlier, relatives of those who went missing during the political uprising 17 years ago suggested the skeletons could belong to their loved ones.
Nereus,
It sounds like a statement based on fact to me - if the information being given is that the container(s) are 20 years old, then the bodies cannot be from the 1992 Black May killings. It is simple maths rather than anything else. 20 years ago was 1989.
Meanwhile, local residents who asked not to be named said seven containers had been detected by the radar of trawlers and urged the investigation to proceed without pleading budget restraints.
"If the government does not act, and soon, we the people will open the containers ourselves," they said.
It is very unlikely they would have used a new container. Any container more than 3 years old when dumped would fit the bill as 20 years old and dumped in 1992....
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Nereus wrote:And then this. How they make such assumptions is beyond me.
PM: Container not linked to Black May
By: BangkokPost.com
Published: 17/05/2009 at 10:39 AM
The 3m x 6m cargo container under the sea off Juang island in the Gulf of Thailand off Chon Buri's Sattahip district is over 20 years old, and a large number of skulls found on the seabed should not be related to the victims of the 1992 Black May uprising, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Sunday.
To make all concerned parties satisfied, the container would have to be salvaged from the sea for officials to inspect it thoroughly, the premier said.
He said people also asked them to inspect the coral reefs around the area.
Earlier, relatives of those who went missing during the political uprising 17 years ago suggested the skeletons could belong to their loved ones.
Nereus,
It sounds like a statement based on fact to me - if the information being given is that the container(s) are 20 years old, then the bodies cannot be from the 1992 Black May killings. It is simple maths rather than anything else. 20 years ago was 1989.
fft100,
I hope you were trying to be funny, but the lack of an emoticon suggests you are attempting a serious point. I don't think the reports were saying that the containers themselves were 20 years old, but that they had been down there at least 20 years - the earlier news quote said something about the coral growing on them indicating that.
Still not clear here. Is the container more than 20 years old, or has it been down there more than 20 years? A huge difference. Perhaps the divers have been down and found an ID plate and manufacture date.
As mentioned before I'll stick to facts that if in seawater (unless all stainless steel) it would have corroded away long, long ago. FYI, the only containers made of stainless are the refrigerated type and they cost 16-26K USD. Doubt the bad guys would use those. Pete
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Nereus wrote:And then this. How they make such assumptions is beyond me.
Nereus,
It sounds like a statement based on fact to me - if the information being given is that the container(s) are 20 years old, then the bodies cannot be from the 1992 Black May killings. It is simple maths rather than anything else. 20 years ago was 1989.
What facts???? That is the whole point! Each time something is reported there is a different story. Like Pete says, do they have a nameplate from one of these "containers" that has been traced? I don`t think so. Are they "shipping containers" or just a box that somebody has claimed is a "container"?
The only "fact" that I am inclined to believe, is that there are human remains in the area, or otherwise Khunying Porntip would not be involved.
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This is the fact that i was referring to from the report;
Porntip Rojanasunan, director of the CIFS, said the 3m x 6m cargo container was discovered about seven metres under the sea and about 16 kilometres off the coast.
It was also covered in coral growth aged more than 20 years.
This is also my industry aswell as PRCSST what is all that bullsh*t about, drilling holes and special cameras, if these containers are in a solid closed state, they have not been down there very long, every container has a registration number not just a manufactures plate number I.E OCLU 8985674 on ever panel and both end of the roof, there is something very odd about this.
Kendo.
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I tend to think that what is interesting about this story is why it has appeared now as apparently it’s no surprise to local fishermen.
As usual with the really intriguing parts of Thai politics we are not allowed to discuss what might be going on because draconian laws forbid it.
The important thing to keep in mind is why someone is raising the subject of the missing bodies from 1992, and who created them, and that the exact location of those bodies is not as important as the fact that they almost certainly existed.
I think most of us are guilty of latching onto a possible link with 1992 due to time scales, erosion times etc. And no doubt families of missing people will also grasp at what might just be straws.
I guess the age of coral growth can be quite accurately measured?
Is it possible that despite container erosion they have been partly held together by coral?
I don't know how fast the stuff grows but it certainly renews itself much more quickly than environmentalists seem to give it credit for. The eco mob are probably more concerned for the creatures which live on it than anything else. Which may be enough of an excuse to abandon investigations altogether eh?
margaretcarnes wrote:I think most of us are guilty of latching onto a possible link with 1992 due to time scales, erosion times etc. And no doubt families of missing people will also grasp at what might just be straws.
I guess the age of coral growth can be quite accurately measured?
Is it possible that despite container erosion they have been partly held together by coral?
I don't know how fast the stuff grows but it certainly renews itself much more quickly than environmentalists seem to give it credit for. The eco mob are probably more concerned for the creatures which live on it than anything else. Which may be enough of an excuse to abandon investigations altogether eh?
Yes, it could. The coral would form on the container, the container rust away from within, and you would have something resembling a coral box left there. As Kendo says, if the serial number decals are still on it, it's not been in there long as those numbers on the sides are simply vinyl decals. Corner castings are just that though, heavy steel castings weighing about 25kg each that lock the container to a lifting crane or platform. The bottom right always has the unit serial hand stamped into it as the final recourse for ID. The castings would be there after 20+ years. Pete
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I dont think coral could hold a container together, i think tides and currents would make them colapse over time.
Containers have very small air vents and they take a considerable amount of time to sink, they have a nasty habbit of floating just under the serface and are known to be the curse of round the world yachtsmen.
So for 8 containers to all sink in the same area just does not add up and why would you want to drill holes into these containers and use special cameras, why not just use something to open the doors like a wire rope and a large boat.
Kendo.
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